He might be on to something, two minutes in and I already lost my will to live
Posts by bohm
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19LEAKED Talk - Depression Is A Part Of This Life
by pale.emperor inanother leak from my collection of talks that i was ordered not to share.
an elder gave me a ton of talks from bethel and special assembleys to put on his ipod.
of course i copied them to my computer and will share them for all of us.. depression is a part of this life by brother nathan fuel.. this talk also touches on the subject of family members being disfellowshipped, feel depressed?
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Front cover of the 2017 Watchtower - unbelievable!
by freddo instudy edition.
january 2017.
(can someone put up a link please?).
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bohm
sparky1:
Well, on that account they will "place" about one watchtower a day ;-).
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Governing Body Member Gerrit Lösch - What The Near Future Holds
by pale.emperor inanother talk from my channel.. gerrit lösch - what the near future holds.
apparently, jehovah god has "revealed" the future to us... unfortunately in 2008 when this talk was given he didnt reveal to them the mass downsizing of bethel staff and buildings, the child molestation payouts and many many changes to doctrine.. https://youtu.be/d8pvnrv5s94.
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bohm
What happened to him? At one point he seemed like a very prominent gb member, but now he seems very much in the background
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Britain Press told by EU not to reveal if terror attacks are carried out by 'muslims'
by EndofMysteries inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3823706/european-human-rights-chiefs-orders-british-press-not-reveal-terrorists-muslims.html.
"european human rights chiefs have told the british press it must not report when terrorists are muslim.
thank goodness they are getting out of the eu, before like sweden even people in uk can get arrested for posting on social media posting any facts and problems the immigrants/muslims/or refugees are causing.
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bohm
Can you show me the EU law that limits the British press?
oh wait there isnt such a law...
does it worry you that your press is misinforming you with fear and lies?
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Is This Crap For Real? FREE SPEECH CRACKDOWN: EU orders British press NOT to reveal when terrorists are Muslims
by freemindfade inhow has offending become the worst crime of the 21st century?
actually, forget being offensive, just telling the truth that may be uncomfortable or offensive.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/717627/free-speech-crackdown-eu-report-british-press-hate-crime-violence-terror.
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bohm
As far as i can tell, this story is actually about a report and has absolutely nothing to do with any particular piece of EU legislation which could limit free speech.
...not that I would expect the British pro brexit lala press to understand that distinction
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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.
by joe134cd inhttps://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
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bohm
Ruby: According to Hassan, he was never contacted regarding his rates for the piece...
I am actually questioning the call for statistics to back up his claims of success because it seems unreasonable. According to Hassan he has a high rate of success (but he only counts cases that reach the intervention stage), however what exactly is she asking for?. In order to probably evaluate outcome of his interventions statistically, Hassan would have to get two populations of cult victims, then divide them in two groups (experiment and control), perform his type of intervention on one group and another on the other group and finally evaluate the outcome. This would need to be done with many patients in each groups to get any sort of statistical confidence; obviously an undertaking nobody could be expected to perform.
Regarding Cathleens experience in the courtroom: I don't know what it takes to be used as an expert witness in the courtroom but more specifically we don't know what she was testifying about exactly... I think it is more direct to look at what she actually accomplished during her PhD and how that relates to cults. So first off her PhD was not about cults as far as I can tell from the title and I can't find any work she has published. If she has really not published anything that is a very bad sign indeed.
Re. Applewhite: just look at the video where she gives her testimony. Stuart grills her for not having the facts straight and she is given about a month to fix the errors in the report.
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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.
by joe134cd inhttps://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
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bohm
Biblexaminer: Lol.
The guy who wrote the article, Rick Ross, is like Jesus in that he once got himself in legal trouble and never finished college...
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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.
by joe134cd inhttps://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
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Ruby: Her work was criticized in strong terms by the commission and she was asked to redo parts of her report if memory serves.
My point is that we have one expert, Cathleen Mann, who says: "Nowhere does Hassan provide a base rate and/or any type or accepted statistical method defining his results...". Okay that might be true, but does Mann herself provide such a rate for her services? (certainly not on her website). Does the author of the article provide such a rate? (nowhere as far as I can tell). Is it then common practice a counselor has to provide such rates?
It is very hard to see what the actual substance is behind such a claim and to me it just seems like they are trying to drum up controversy without substance.
Do you think it is fair that a person with absolutely no credentials to speak of (he never finished college) is criticizing Hassan for HIS supposed lack of credentials even though Hassan has actually received professional training?
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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.
by joe134cd inhttps://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
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bohm
Ruby:
I am just trying to get to the bottom of this. I agree Cathleen Mann is recognized as a court expert and according to her linked profile she has worked professionally with mental health issue for years, however it is difficult to assess exactly what being a court expert means in terms of her capacity as an expert. For instance, Monica Applewhite who testified on behalf of the WT during the Australian royal commission is also a recognized court expert, but she didn't exactly strike me as being very competent.
When Cathleen Mann is quoted in the article as speaking out against Hassans lack of "statistical validation" it is clear she is used because of her scholarly credentials (notice it says she has a PhD and Hassan is criticized for his lack of higher academic training). The issue I am bringing up is to take her own description from the webpage:
"I have an earned doctorate in psychology with a dissertation on a forensic related topic. "
That quote raises alarm bells: what school? what topic exactly? Did she do any scientific work relating to cults?
I have been unable to find any scientific work she carried out during her PhD program and she obtained her PhD from a controversial online campus. That is pretty alarming, as the only thing that substantiates her call for "statistical validation" is her credentials.
On top of that, if the article criticize Hassan for his methods not being effectively validated, how then about the author of the article (Ross) who has *no* professional training whatsoever and is a known deprogrammed (kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment)? Are THOSE methods statistically validated or considered ethical? Presumably not at all, in which case it all seems pretty hypocritical...
Where this leaves us is the 400 USD for consulting. This is a lot I agree, and enough for me not to consider his services. But it is a little less per hour than an experienced lawyer and a lot less than a top-end lawyer. How much do other psychologists charge? (I was easily able to find a random psychologist who charged more). Is it unreasonable for Hassan to charge the same amount as other psychologists because he is working with people who need his services? Would that not apply equally well to all people who worked with health?
If Hassan said he was the *only* person who could help someone in a cult and charged 400 USD/hour there might be a point, but I can't recall hearing that asides him saying he suggests people should talk with professionals about their cult problems (sound advice) and not hire deprogrammers (que author of the article).
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Steve Hassan. Can some one verify if this is true.
by joe134cd inhttps://culteducation.com/group/1289-general-information/8227-disclaimer-regarding-steve-hassan.html.
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bohm
Yah okay this just keeps getting worse and worse.
So they guy who is likely to have written the article is "Rick Alan Ross". From wikipedia:
Ross faced charges of unlawful imprisonment over a 1991 forcible deprogramming of United Pentecostal Church International member Jason Scott; a jury acquitted him at trial. In 1995, a civil lawsuit filed by Scott resulted in a multimillion-dollar judgement against Ross and his co-defendants. Later, Ross and Scott reached a settlement in which Ross agreed to pay Scott US$5,000 and provide 200 hours of professional services at no charge.
Ross was the only deprogrammer to work with members of the religious group Branch Davidian prior to the Waco siege; some scholars later criticized his involvement with the siege.Okay, so a deprogrammer who was part of the Waco fuckup.
Since Hassan criticize deprogrammers left and right for unethical practices it is not hard to guess why he might not like Hassan.
On top of that Rick Ross appears to have absolutely no professional education (his bio list him as never having attended college) which makes it kind of funny he criticize Hassan for his lack of training...
Regarding the fees this Is Hassans own response:
As for the accusations, my current fees are not $500 as Ross claims. I charge half that for an hour of counseling and have done so for quite some time. In response to his suggestions that I am unethical in my dealings with clients, I want to assert that I abide by the ethical guidelines of my professional organizations including the American Counseling Association. Every person I have ever worked with has known what I charge in advance and has agreed to it. In recent months, in accordance with the new federal HIPAA guidelines, clients must sign a written contract that discloses all necessary information, if they wish to work with me.