Posts by Heaven

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WT started using the internet in 1997, brother said

by StarTrekAngel in

so brohter (not elder or anything but many years active) had to give talk this week.

talk related to how jehovah gives abilities to people thru the spirit.

started off with the mention of how god told moises to build the tent and gave people the abilities to work wood, stone, etc.

Heaven

In 2010, I had to install an internet connection in my Dad's home due to his dementia and recent cataract surgery, which he needed my help with every day but I had to work.

He was freaked out! He was soooo worried about the demunz.

He made it crystal clear he was not happy with it being installed.

And guess what? Absolutely NOTHING bad happened. Nothing at all.

Satan did not show up. Lightning bolts did not destroy the house. And neither one of us needed any specialized demunz protecting underwear.

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God is a killer, NOT a murderer

by Slave4_38y in

this is not from wts, but it could well have been.

it explains with numerous scriptures quoted why it is impossible for god to break one of his commandments (thou shall not kill).

it is a erroneous translation which should have been: do not put anyone to death without cause.

God is a killer, NOT a murderer

by Slave4_38y in

this is not from wts, but it could well have been.

it explains with numerous scriptures quoted why it is impossible for god to break one of his commandments (thou shall not kill).

it is a erroneous translation which should have been: do not put anyone to death without cause.

Heaven

slave said: It is a erroneous translation which should have been: “Do not put anyone to death without cause.” In other words, if the murder was justified as in God's case, he merely killed. And he's allowed to kill humans, because humans are sinners. It's their birthright for crying out loud! :-(

And he kills in such inventive ways. That Ebola and HIV are such wonderous innovations from Sky Daddy doncha think?

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Looking for ideas.

by Driving Force in

i received an email from one of the elder in the local congregation.

i am not dfed so there is not a problem there, i am just an aggressive fader.. one of the last things i said to this elder before i stopped all activities was that i do not agree with the borg taking all the assets from the congregations.. here is what the elder said in the email:.

"i recently saw something while looking through the jw broadcasting for the month of may and i though about you.

Heaven

I'd be interested in knowing how much Bro. Lett's suit and tie cost in the May video. They were very nice.

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At the RC now part 2

by All for show in

jw
friends

ok... my other thread i cant respond.

we went to shut up our family... but myhusband is seething and said his brain has shut off.. the stupid is amazing.. they are playing videos that are lame and pointless for the first symposium.. for the first symposium... they asked why the bible has no pictures.

because it was before photography...jesus used word pictures!!

Heaven

People know Jesus but not the sacred secret. You have to qualify to know sacred secrets.

This is 100% cult speak right here.

BTW, all that crap you listed in the OP I've heard time and time again. How many times must one hear it to 'know' it? Sheesh!

There are no pictures because photography and drawing are evil... then, nu-lite came out in the 1800s and these were all ok now. Errr, uuuuhhh.... yeah.

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One month researching my doubts: my crucial issues with WTBTS - what are yours?

by Tornintwo in

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friends

so after 20 years a convert, about a month ago i decided to start listening to my doubts and to do independent research about the wtbts teachings (naughty me).

as a result i have consolidated my position on various points and these are my major issues with the wtbts teachings, i am posting these to help myself figure things out (with your assistance) and hopefully to hear from others at their stage of drawing away from the gb - newbies' especially.

in the form of notes so hope you dont mind...child abuse.

Heaven

Misogyny: the Organization's disdain for women

God's Chosen/Exclusive Truth: this goes along with your 'all others will die' but is broader because JWs have elevated themselves above all else claiming they have exclusive knowledge of 'Da Troof' and are God's Chosen. This creates holier-than-though, self-righteous, a-holes.

Flip-Flops: similar to 'the lite gets brighter' except that it's complete reversals of previous lite, then coming back to former lite that was changed but now adopted once again. Makes one nauseous and dizzy.

Torn said: (how do you do that 'copy someone's comment in a little yellow box' thing that you all do?)

Hey Torn, see that " (quote) icon/button next to the B icon/button at the top of the text window? Select/highlight whatever text you want to quote with the mouse, then hit that " button.

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"This Generation"-- New Light AGAIN

by FusionTheism in

new "jesus--the way" book, pages 258-259: .

"truly i say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.matthew 24:32-34. thus, when his disciples see the many different features of the sign being fulfilled, they should realize that the end is near.".

so now "this generation" is simply the disciples who see all the many different features of the sign?.

Heaven

DD said: WTBTS is just another head of the Xian Hydra. It's sole purpose is to keep people ignorant, docile, and retard the growth of their souls.

I like this 'Xian Hydra' phrase! I think I'll steals it.

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Doing away with Calculating How Close we are to THE END

by FusionTheism in

the watchtower study edition, august 2015, "keep in expectation!

" article:.

paragraph 3: "after looking forward to the end of this system for what may seem to be a long time, however, some may wonder, do we still have sound reasons to keep in expectation?

Heaven

Back in 1975, my former Team Lead worked with a guy who quit his job and sold his house anticipating the arrival of Armageddon.

I guess that guy had to get another job and another house because Armageddon was, once again, a no show.

The Bible Students and JWs have been claiming the end is close now for over 136 years.

Seriously, this isn't soon.

The Big 'A' is nothing more than a control mechanism. 'But it's in the Bible' has to be one of THE worst comebacks I have received on why it hasn't arrived yet but it will soon whenever I have brought up the fact that it hasn't arrived when predicted in the past.

Wishing something were true does not make it so.

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Official List of Helpers to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses

by jwleaks in

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friends

official current list as published by watchtower >>> here.

official list of governing body of jehovahs witnesses helpers.

list of governing body of jehovahs witnesses helpers.

Heaven

<sarcasm> This isn't a male dominated religion. </sarcasm>

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Doing away with Calculating How Close we are to THE END

by FusionTheism in

the watchtower study edition, august 2015, "keep in expectation!

" article:.

paragraph 3: "after looking forward to the end of this system for what may seem to be a long time, however, some may wonder, do we still have sound reasons to keep in expectation?

Heaven

In 2009, my Father told me the end was really close now. I asked him how he knew. He said it was because the economy was really bad. I asked him "Is it as bad as it was during the Great Depression?"

He kind of stared blankly at me. Then he said rather quietly, "Nooo."

I went on. I said "Because if the bad economy is the reason, shouldn't the end have come during the Great Depression?"

Botchtower will keep saying whatever it needs to in order to keep people in their organization.

If I told you I was coming over to your house 'very soon now' and 52 years later I have yet to arrive, would you think I was still coming soon or that I am never coming?

This is basically what their Armageddon failed prophecy is to me. I will be 52 years old this year. So far, the Big 'A' is one BIG FAILURE!