Even Jackson doesn't know what an apostate is. He said "it's someone who goes against the Bible".
In reality, it is someone who goes against the religion.
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4Anyone in the U.S. talking about the RC in Australia!
by BeautifulMind ini mentioned this to my very close friend (still a believing jw) a couple of weeks ago, just to see if she had heard about it.
she asked for a link to check it out so i sent her one.
she looked into it and predictably concluded in was a smear campaign against the jws and she wasn't going to fall for what satan and the apostates were trying to do, we don't know the whole story, and the elders would never allow such a thing to happen, blah, blah, blah....anyone else in the u.s. try to bring this up to friends or family?
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regarding Jacksons testimony.
by umbertoecho inhas anyone here re-watched that last day?
the part where justice mcclellan is asking mr jackson if he feels that this royal commission is a sincere effort to make some good changes in policy...?.
and does mr jackson feel it would be worth it to put a collective effort, along with other organizations to compensate or find means of redress, for the victims of child sexual abuse?.
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Hi umber.... I have watched all of it. Jackson is a liar. He actually contradicted himself during his testimony. He tried to say the GB are just 'fellow workers' but later references 'each sheep in the congregation'. Does Jackson consider himself a sheep? I doubt it.
He's trying to appear humble and co-operative but to me, comes off smug at times. His comment about 'that's the problem with secular interpretations of scripture' annoyed me. Who says Jackson's interpretation is any more valid than anyone else's?
I am wondering if Angus' turning his back was deliberate. I think it was. It was a tactic to let Jackson know he's nothing special to the RC and to see if it flustered him. It told the RC plenty.
Angus is amazing!
A couple of other points:
Jackson stated that the GB's responsibility is that everything is to be scripturally correct. So if they have inserted their interpretation of scripture, does that qualify? This could be a big issue.
Jackson emphasized at least 3 times that no women could ever be elders.
He also stated that the Bible says only men can be Judges. This is false as per Judges 4:4-5.
Angus's question about does Jehovah God love only JWs was answered 'No' by Jackson. Huh?
When asked by Angus if an inactive witness was caught celebrating a birthday or Christmas would that person be considered transgressing the rules of the Borg Jackson replied "Not his understanding". This is a lie.
Jackson stated an apostate is someone who goes against the Bible. This is a lie. An apostate is someone who goes against the religion.
Jackson also stated that 'everyone is on Alert' when a report of child sexual abuse is made known to the Borg but the victim does not want to go to the police. This is a blatant lie. They definitely withhold this information from the entire congregation.
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GEOFFREY JACKSON THE PERSONABLE FACE OF JW.ORG...BUT IT AIN'T OVER YET BUDDY
by steve2 insince geoffrey jackson's appearance before the australian royal commission on friday there has for some been an expressed feeling of anticlimax.
it is as though he was given too much latitude to preach, to claim ignorance and to skirt questions.
more to the point, as much as i myself thought i would never have expected to say this, gj actually came across as likeable and - don't throttle me please!
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I could just hug both Peter McClellan and Angus Stewart.
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The sheer lunacy of Jackson's view regarding mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse.
by DATA-DOG inlunacy?
insanity?
without a doubt.
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snugglebunny, yes, Jackson is Australian, born in Queensland in 1955. -
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GEOFFREY JACKSON THE PERSONABLE FACE OF JW.ORG...BUT IT AIN'T OVER YET BUDDY
by steve2 insince geoffrey jackson's appearance before the australian royal commission on friday there has for some been an expressed feeling of anticlimax.
it is as though he was given too much latitude to preach, to claim ignorance and to skirt questions.
more to the point, as much as i myself thought i would never have expected to say this, gj actually came across as likeable and - don't throttle me please!
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Billy said: And now we have the people behind the interpretation of the compiled book of Jewish stories that has an agenda. And their primary agenda is that the womenfolk shouldn't be jumping up and arguing with the men. Instead, women should be in the kitchen quietly making sandwiches for the menfolk.
Billy, you always make my day!
You are spot on.
And meanwhile, in the 21st century, these interpreters seem oblivious to the many men who can cook just as well or better than many women. Some even make a profession out of it called Chef. ;0)
What is it about certain people that feel the need to control and tell others what to do?
Patriarchy is oppressive and abusive and used to control women and children. Always has been, always will be. It's expiry date was up a long time ago.
Back in the Early Christian era there were many sects and they all had their own flavour of 'scripture'. Constantine and his band of merry men attempted to bring some consistency to all this. While we now have this 66 book 'Bible' (it used to be 73 ... I think the Catholics may still have a 73 book Bible), it's still based on Patriarchy, elevating men above women and children and using fear and guilt to control. There are some good aspects in the Bible, but really, if you pulled those out, you'd have a pamphlet or brochure.
There is more knowledge in our present day books than contained in the entire Bible.
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The sheer lunacy of Jackson's view regarding mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse.
by DATA-DOG inlunacy?
insanity?
without a doubt.
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Heaven
Hoser, I had the same impression. Jackson reminds me of several people I've had to deal with throughout my life. When asked a simple 'Yes or No' type question, they ramble on and on about crap that has nothing to do with my question.
I have to constantly reply, "Ok. But you still haven't answered my question."
Sometimes I have to tell them "A simple yes or no will suffice."
It can be exhausting.
The facial expressions of both Angus Stewart and Peter McClellan (and others) throughout these proceedings have been interesting. They have a cool and calm exterior and conduct themselves very professionally, but I suspect inside they're disgusted and very likely angry. A couple of times McClellan seemed to start to get impatient with these JWs.
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GEOFFREY JACKSON THE PERSONABLE FACE OF JW.ORG...BUT IT AIN'T OVER YET BUDDY
by steve2 insince geoffrey jackson's appearance before the australian royal commission on friday there has for some been an expressed feeling of anticlimax.
it is as though he was given too much latitude to preach, to claim ignorance and to skirt questions.
more to the point, as much as i myself thought i would never have expected to say this, gj actually came across as likeable and - don't throttle me please!
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Vidiot said: I'd argue that the Bible itself has an agenda, but whatever.
I agree somewhat but would state it slightly differently. I believe the Bible was compiled to suit the Christian agenda. The Bible itself is just a book of stories. It was the people behind the compilation that had the agenda.
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Contradicting Governing Body Members
by Illuminated inso we've heard from three different governing body members this year regarding child sexual abuse.. the latest one on the rc admitted there's a sexual abuse problem within the cult, yet lett and morris swept the dirt under the carpet stating they have a great reputation as far as sex abuse is concerned, and pointed their fingers at "apostate lies".
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i'm left totally confused at the contradiction of this "organization"..
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Only when backed into a corner will the leaders of the Borganization possibly admit to maybe having a slight responsibility. They are Teflon Men, they are psychopaths. They want it to be someone else's responsibility to clean up a mess. Their role is one of a higher calling - that of spiritual protection.
Seriously. They are f'ed up.
They want nothing to do with the dirty work of actually helping someone who has been damaged or abused or in trouble. Their answer is always completely useless.... Pray More + Wait on Jehovah and some shit scripture that is intended to shut someone up.
My Dad's CO told him back in 2010... "The young ones are leaving in droves."
Gee, I wonder why
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The sheer lunacy of Jackson's view regarding mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse.
by DATA-DOG inlunacy?
insanity?
without a doubt.
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DD, I had the exact same thoughts.
Jackson claims that JWs hold themselves to a high moral standard and have love amongst themselves... and yet, require the secular authorities to 'help the JWs make it easier to report child abuse by making the reporting of it mandatory'.
The logic that follows from this is ... that Botchtower's and JWs' reliance on the Bible is grossly inadequate when dealing with issues of abuse.Maybe laws need to be enacted to make the Bible illegal.
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To the Royal Commission: A JW's thank you note... from Mexico!
by avaddohn94 innote: i sent this e-mail to their contact mail address and now, i wish to make it public for it truly expresses my current thoughts!.
a jw's thank you note... from mexico!.
first of all, let me tell you i am still one of jehovah's witnesses.
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avaddohn94, what an excellent letter. Your English is spot on as well. If all of us are basically saying the same thing, and someone like Geoffrey Jackson keeps saying "I am not aware of that" it makes it look like Jackson has either been completely isolated from his entire organization's membership or he's a liar.
I also emailed Mr. Stewart on Tue Aug 4, 2015. Here is what I said:
Dear Mr. Stewart,
Thank you so very much for all you, Hon Justice Peter McClellan, and the rest of the Royal Commission team are doing in the investigation of institutional responses to child sexual abuse within the Jehovah's Witnesses. I am very impressed with your professional manner and depth of knowledge of this organization. Remaining composed during this is an amazing task you all manage to accomplish very well. This must be very difficult, if not exhausting.
I was raised in this religion but chose not to join for a number of reasons, misogyny being one of them. It has been a tough road where my Witness family are concerned.
I once started to document the known child abusers within this religion reported online from various news sources and after page one I had to stop as I was becoming physically ill.
Most Witnesses are unaware of the magnitude of the issue of child abuse as it is kept secret from them. They are not warned that there are abusers amongst them and are encouraged not to listen to outside sources of information including the news media. When they do hear of it, they believe these sources are telling lies or that the cases are very few. Preventing the "dragging of Jehovah's name through the mud" is really more important to this group than actually protecting people.
My Father once told me that children in Africa born with HIV must be pre-destined to be sinners in Jehovah's eyes after I challenged his idea that Jehovah is loving but then allows a child in utero to contract HIV. My parents also accused me of provoking a man at work who was harassing me. They felt I must have done something for this man to be behaving this way. I assured them I had not.
I have always hoped that the laws of various countries would change to remove the harmful, damaging, and destructive aspects of fundamentalist type religions and groups. There is more than child abuse going on within many of these, the Witnesses included.
I wish you and the RC much success in bringing about positive change. When a group is based on outdated principles such as Patriarchy, various abuses seem to abound. If laws are not enacted, though, as a result of these investigations, The Watchtower will not adopt any changes. Their authority is their interpretation of the Bible unless there is a law which prohibits them from using the Bible literally. They will view this investigation as persecution by Satan.
Regards,
