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  [Day 5 - 3/8]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

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  2. child-abuse

  so, i am back at it.

  i give you day 5 of the royal commissions proceedings:.

  part 1 has been uploaded and part 2,3 and 4 will soon be available.. part 1:.

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  Ron - 'I Don't Recall' - DeRooy was sickened by what happened but did nothing about it due to the internal processes of his religion.
  

  This is not a very good advert for anyone thinking of becoming a JW.
  

  I really like the examiner Stewart.
  
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  They know the RC is going to be an issue: August Broadcast talk with Tony

  by leavingonthenextplane in

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  2. bible

  they are told that persecution is coming and that all will see it.. they are told that there will be lies in the media about us.. they even give the old brother king interview about brothers being jailed.

  the last sentence tony the tiger damn near screams at the camera to stay faithful you integrity keepers... he knows your fathers and husbands may be going to jail.

  this talk is all about damage control.. .

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  The GB knows people are going to leave over this.
  
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  Why I believe in God. Why I don't believe in God.

  by The Rebel in

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  hi i am delighted to be apart of the community.. having left the witnesses one of my first challenges was my believe in god.

  naturally.. i have concluded that i am alive and conscious.

  now my intuition tells me god exists, but my analytical thinking tells me god does not exist.

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  TheRebel... begin by looking at what you base your belief on. Does it hold up to scrutiny? You are in for some major sifting work.

  How have you reconciled with the issue of theodicy?
  
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  Confidentiality. Confidentiality. Confidentiality. RC Hearing Day 5

  by passwordprotected in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  confidentiality.

  how many times does ron de rooy state the importance of jehovah's witnesses being confidential?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qucn5azi5gk&index=17&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui.

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  Wasanelder Once ... I don't think there are specific questions in the video on what I'm asking but I would like some elders/ex-elders input on my questions.

  I may have caused some confusion with my last statement in my post. It was just a thought... knowing how this group feels about women being in positions of power over men. Ron is looking rather bumbly.
  
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  Confidentiality. Confidentiality. Confidentiality. RC Hearing Day 5

  by passwordprotected in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  confidentiality.

  how many times does ron de rooy state the importance of jehovah's witnesses being confidential?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qucn5azi5gk&index=17&list=plpq6kz-aghvqbadlzmqn26dvmpzddxlui.

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  My understanding is that the elders look at an accuser as being someone who asked for it or did something to provoke the abuse and therefore, has responsibility. Is this true for child abuse? I have read that it is but maybe not in all cases? Can any elders or former elders on here clarify this?
  

  I was harassed at work by a male co-worker and my parents tried to implicate that I must have done something to illicit this. I was floored. I ensured they knew I had not.
  

  I wonder how Ron - 'I Don't Recall' - De Rooy feels about a woman asking him these questions.
  
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  Soooo, when I tell you I feel it's a cult

  by cognac in

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  2. friends

  why would you proceed to invite me to their meetings?

  wtf?

  how much clearer can i make my stance????

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  TheRebel ... as an adult, my parents could never engage much in discussion with me as they couldn't refute what I had to say. It would always end with the stunned silence and deer-in-the-headlights look from them. I assume this comes, at least in part, from the Borg's coaching not to continue engaging in discussion for fear it would stumble my parents. It was sad to watch my parents devolve. Their logic became broken, their critical thinking skills diminished. It bothered me a lot that they let their wishes override evidence. Wanting something to be true does not mean that it is.
  

  As for pedophiles, Dad knew they were in the Borg. There is one in his previous congregation. Of course now, my Mom is dead, Dad doesn't even know what day it is, ties his shoelaces into numerous knots, and pours his soup into his shoes at lunch. Dementia is a bitch.

  At least I don't have to listen to 'Heaven, the time is so short now. You need to become a Witness or risk dying at Armageddon and your eternal life.' Close to 50 years of listening to 'Armageddon is imminent' gets old real fast, equating this failed prophecy time and again to 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf' fable. This rant becomes ineffectual over time and, as I pointed out to my Dad, the JW's lose credibility. In 2009 I finally told my Dad outright that I wasn't going to be a Witness. He was pushing me to join. The excuse du jour that Armageddon was closer than the inside of my eyelids was the terrible economy. I think he was very sad when I told him outright I wouldn't join. But man, 46 years and I hadn't joined up I think says something.

  I have always been there to support my folks, though, and show them love as much as was and is possible.

  As one of the Alzheimer's Society's support workers told me "Love transcends the dementia barrier."
  
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  Soooo, when I tell you I feel it's a cult

  by cognac in

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  why would you proceed to invite me to their meetings?

  wtf?

  how much clearer can i make my stance????

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  I told my Dad I wanted nothing to do with an organization that tells it's members to shun their family and friends if they don't join up. I also told him that because there are pedophiles in the religion, I'm not interested in aligning with that crap.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses "Handling Child Abuse Matters" flowchart

  by jwleaks in

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  2. child-abuse

  jw leaks courtesy of the australian royal commission.

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  half banana said: They do not take human needs seriously.

  Well said hb. I really do not think Botchtower actually knows what encompasses all human needs. They clearly demonstrate an ass-backward model in that they place spirituality above all other needs which is utterly ridiculous and untrue.
  
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  Don't believe what you read in the newspapers

  by 1Averagejoe in

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  2. child-abuse

  foolish is the man who neverreads a newspaper; even morefoolish is the man who believeswhat he reads just becauseit is in the newspaper .august von schlozer,german historianand publicist (1735-1809).

  i came across this articke in the october 15th wt.

  page 30.

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  Afrikanman, I use that word quite frequently.
  
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  Justice in Historic Australian investigation says Jehovah's Witnesses child protection policies WORST

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  historic investigation of jws latest videos are on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtxakzq0ity&feature=youtu.be.

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  ut said: Ah! Heaven. Don't you know that all of them were repentant? Of course they were.

  My sister said so and she has a direct line to the Guvnor through the GB( Greedy Bastards)

  ut, of course they were. They want ready access to fresh meat so they can re-offend over and over...and they are always repentant... over and over... it's sickening!

  
  

  ut said: Plus Heaven, may I remind you of how progressive they are with regard to degrading sexual practices........Not too long ago, a JW wife could not divorce her husband for beastiality because they were pretty sure that no half human half dog, cat, chook or horse would be born of this unholy alliance.

  Then one day....they saw it was "not good". And they changed their minds........I think.

  You are so lacking in faith for these " holy beyond holiness of these spirit appointed men" to guide you through the Great Tribulation and the big A. Where..... you too can have a dog, cat, badger or sit on a pit of friendly snakes............

  ut, their MO is to produce nu-lite. It wouldn't surprise me if they have a yearly metric on how many nu-lites they have to come out with. And... of course I wouldn't follow them. Their delusional.