Posts by Heaven

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One month researching my doubts: my crucial issues with WTBTS - what are yours?

by Tornintwo in

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so after 20 years a convert, about a month ago i decided to start listening to my doubts and to do independent research about the wtbts teachings (naughty me).

as a result i have consolidated my position on various points and these are my major issues with the wtbts teachings, i am posting these to help myself figure things out (with your assistance) and hopefully to hear from others at their stage of drawing away from the gb - newbies' especially.

in the form of notes so hope you dont mind...child abuse.

Heaven

Misogyny: the Organization's disdain for women

God's Chosen/Exclusive Truth: this goes along with your 'all others will die' but is broader because JWs have elevated themselves above all else claiming they have exclusive knowledge of 'Da Troof' and are God's Chosen. This creates holier-than-though, self-righteous, a-holes.

Flip-Flops: similar to 'the lite gets brighter' except that it's complete reversals of previous lite, then coming back to former lite that was changed but now adopted once again. Makes one nauseous and dizzy.

Torn said: (how do you do that 'copy someone's comment in a little yellow box' thing that you all do?)

Hey Torn, see that " (quote) icon/button next to the B icon/button at the top of the text window? Select/highlight whatever text you want to quote with the mouse, then hit that " button.

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"This Generation"-- New Light AGAIN

by FusionTheism in

new "jesus--the way" book, pages 258-259: .

"truly i say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.matthew 24:32-34. thus, when his disciples see the many different features of the sign being fulfilled, they should realize that the end is near.".

so now "this generation" is simply the disciples who see all the many different features of the sign?.

Heaven

DD said: WTBTS is just another head of the Xian Hydra. It's sole purpose is to keep people ignorant, docile, and retard the growth of their souls.

I like this 'Xian Hydra' phrase! I think I'll steals it.

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Doing away with Calculating How Close we are to THE END

by FusionTheism in

the watchtower study edition, august 2015, "keep in expectation!

" article:.

paragraph 3: "after looking forward to the end of this system for what may seem to be a long time, however, some may wonder, do we still have sound reasons to keep in expectation?

Heaven

Back in 1975, my former Team Lead worked with a guy who quit his job and sold his house anticipating the arrival of Armageddon.

I guess that guy had to get another job and another house because Armageddon was, once again, a no show.

The Bible Students and JWs have been claiming the end is close now for over 136 years.

Seriously, this isn't soon.

The Big 'A' is nothing more than a control mechanism. 'But it's in the Bible' has to be one of THE worst comebacks I have received on why it hasn't arrived yet but it will soon whenever I have brought up the fact that it hasn't arrived when predicted in the past.

Wishing something were true does not make it so.

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Official List of Helpers to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses

by jwleaks in

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official current list as published by watchtower >>> here.

official list of governing body of jehovahs witnesses helpers.

list of governing body of jehovahs witnesses helpers.

Heaven

<sarcasm> This isn't a male dominated religion. </sarcasm>

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Doing away with Calculating How Close we are to THE END

by FusionTheism in

the watchtower study edition, august 2015, "keep in expectation!

" article:.

paragraph 3: "after looking forward to the end of this system for what may seem to be a long time, however, some may wonder, do we still have sound reasons to keep in expectation?

Heaven

In 2009, my Father told me the end was really close now. I asked him how he knew. He said it was because the economy was really bad. I asked him "Is it as bad as it was during the Great Depression?"

He kind of stared blankly at me. Then he said rather quietly, "Nooo."

I went on. I said "Because if the bad economy is the reason, shouldn't the end have come during the Great Depression?"

Botchtower will keep saying whatever it needs to in order to keep people in their organization.

If I told you I was coming over to your house 'very soon now' and 52 years later I have yet to arrive, would you think I was still coming soon or that I am never coming?

This is basically what their Armageddon failed prophecy is to me. I will be 52 years old this year. So far, the Big 'A' is one BIG FAILURE!

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Should I Shun My Dog?

by snugglebunny in

some background:josie the miniature schnauzer is now 12 years old, so she's old enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

however, she insists on peeing in the middle of my beautifully tended lawn, which, as a consequence, is now covered in brown patches.

i've remonstrated with her a number of times and each time she purports to show a diplay of repentance, that is, she slinks away on her belly with her ears flattened down tightly to her head.

Heaven

This is hilarious! :0))

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Bro Loesch's talk.

by New day in

recently i heard through video link to our kh a talk by bro loesch where he attacked university study (again) but this time he prefaced his remarks by saying, and i quote, "the faithful slave does not forbid you to go to university.

" so this was a bad start as his following remarks made it clear that this was just a way of seeming reasonable while basically saying that we shouldn't do it.

he went on to use an illustration i think he has used before about a man with ocd who decided to kill himself.

Heaven

"No, Heaven went to College."

This was my parents stock answer to their JW cronies when they'd ask my parents if I was a JW or had gotten baptized.

The GB cannot risk someone developing critical thinking skills. It's a cult indoctrination killer. :0)

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Is it possible to use this thread to compile watchtowers Armageddon illustrations

by jambon1 in

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i was informed today by a jw that the watchtower doesn't use images and propaganda to instil fear.

i would really like to see a compilation of all their armageddon illustrations.

maybe a thread or web page already exists that had this content.. the one i am really wanting is the most recent picture of the witnesses in the basement during the tribulation.. this will be a massive help so thank you..

Heaven

This is one f'ed up religion.

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God's Spirit

by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

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what is god's spirit?

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i ask this of those who believe in god.

Heaven

If poopsie was still posting, she'd be gettin' out the popcorn:

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plagiarism in the bible- what I have learnt part one

by purrpurr in

i have recently been studying the myths and legends of other pre- jewish cultures.

such as babylonian, egyptian and greek.

these stories and beliefs are all pre dating the writing of the jewish torah and the new testament.

Heaven

purrpurr, it is an excellent activity to check into pre-Biblical history. I find not many religious people do. This is not a very intelligent move on their part. I also find many religious people do not even know the content of their own foundational holy book.

At some point in the past, someone or a group of someones decided to trot this collection of (73 - apparently strikethrough isn't working on this site) 66 books out as 'the inerrant, true word of God'.

It all goes downhill from there.