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  A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

  by palmtree67 in

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  ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

  "there are good atheists and bad atheists.

  there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

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  Soft +Gentle: whilst qcmr has clearly indicated that we should all be willing to peer review one another and take a hammer to our cherished ideas.

  If you read with an unbiased mind, what he actually said was that if, after discussing our idea, we find it's not true, we should then be pleased to take a hammer to it.

  His actual quote:

  to put your most cherished idea on the altar of peer review....and if, after weighing, it is found wanting......to join in heartily as everyone takes a hammer to it.

  I have now proved two of your "points" wrong. Unless your personal belief is to cling to wrong ideas, I don't see how you could have a problem with Q's comment.

  Again, I don't know what game you're playing, but I'm done playing it.

  Good night.
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  A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

  by palmtree67 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

  "there are good atheists and bad atheists.

  there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

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  Soft+Gentle: btw you seem to be aiming for something opposite to qcmbr and I am still trying to digest this

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  It's late, and I don't want to play games. What is the "opposite" I am aiming for?

  You just posted that you disagreed with what Q said. I just showed you proof that he didn't say what you accused him of. Now you accuse me of something vague.

  I'm tired, what is the game you're playing here?
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  A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

  by palmtree67 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

  "there are good atheists and bad atheists.

  there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

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  palmtree67

  Please explain

  You took a general comment of Q's and turned it into meaning only one side, making a black/white, us/them statement.

  Also, Q didn't describe them as "followers". Someone else did and probably on another thread, I don't know where you heard it, but you both are wrongly attributing the statement to Q, on this thread.

  His actual post:

  2 - Blatant bias. We all recognise at some level bias. Some however, use blatant bias as a tool. Extremely obvious support of an insupportable position merely because of who made the initial incorrect statement. Silence is bad enough ( I'm guilty of simply ignoring bad behaviour if I see no personal gain in aggravating the poster so I simply read the next post) but overt intercession to support bad behaviour/ideas is blatant bias and is ugly. Poster x claims poster y is <unacceptable concept> Poster z supports poster x even so far as to begin arguing for < unacceptable concept> simply due to bias.

  Notice his first statement: We ALL recognize at some level bias. Also no mention of "followers".

  I'm not sure what your and Tammy's issue is with this comment.
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  A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

  by palmtree67 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

  "there are good atheists and bad atheists.

  there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

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  I understood Q's post as something that would apply to both sides. He also admitted that certain types of posts cause him to post more "reactively".

  He even stated:

  " ...feel free to add more tactics you find distasteful"

  The fact that both S+G and Tec feel it only applies to the "other side" is interesting, though.
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  A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

  by palmtree67 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

  "there are good atheists and bad atheists.

  there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

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  palmtree67

  Soft and Gentle is lost.....is there an usher here that can help?
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  A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

  by palmtree67 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

  "there are good atheists and bad atheists.

  there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

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  AGuest: What is UP with you? Did our PM'ing NOT resolve things? I mean, I took you at your word that it had. What is UP with this??

  Either you completely misunderstood my last PM to you (which received no reply), or else you are deliberately misrepresenting me.

  I clearly told you that although I don't esteem your words as some others here do, I wasn't your "enemy".

  If you can't laugh at your own post where you refer to yourself 9 times while complaining that the attention is always on YOU, then fine.

  I thought it was funny.

  I still do, and I'm not going to apologise for laughing at you.
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  C...

  by AGuest in

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  peace to you (forgive me if that offends/insults, but i felt wrong not offering it in opening this new thread).

  to continue where we left off on the "truce" thread:.

  there is no such thing as relative truth - it is not open to subjective feelings.

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  palmtree67

  Cofty's last post on this thread dedicated to him, 10 hours ago:

  I will have a read and reply later

  FYI, everyone......

  Cofty isn't here yet.
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  A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

  by palmtree67 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

  "there are good atheists and bad atheists.

  there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

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  Dear Palm... peace to you, as well... and really, girl? I am SO confused as to you these days. I tried to get this thread back on track and in proper perspective and consideration of what you're trying to do (or I thought you were trying to do)... and OFF "AGuest". That is not my name... and you know this. You DO realize that repeating my entire thread actually ADDED another 9 times where "AGuest" is stated? You DO realize that, right?

  What is UP with you? Did our PM'ing NOT resolve things? I mean, I took you at your word that it had. What is UP with this??

  Chill.

  You made a post referring to yourself 9 nine times, while complaining that the thread had become about you.

  Even you have to admit that's ironic!

  
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  Faith... and Trust: The Same Things?

  by AGuest in

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  in a discussion with some other dear ones, the question was asked as to what such ones put their faith in.

  in response to one comment that"one can't function without faith," another disagreed, stating ones can, that "many do so every day... the ones who have trust" (in things like the sun rising in the east versus the west).

  that trust extended to "faith" based "on nature and the natural order of things.

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  palmtree67

  I think some dismiss the spiritual experience of some - NOT due to their having been in religion - but because the person themselves dismisses it. You* don't believe you had an authentic spiritual experience... You* are the one dismissing it. You* state that you only thought that it was valid... but you know now that it was not.

  I do not dismiss anyone's spiritual experience... it is between them and the one they serve. But when someone else invalidates their own spiritual experience (and Cofty states that there is no such thing as this spirit, so how could he have known it...he could not; he can only have - according to his words - thought that he knew it. His words. His.)

  Peace,

  tammy

  I'm sorry, but this sounds like a "Who's on First?" skit........

  I "heard" those words in Abbott's voice. LOL
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  A truce between Atheists and Non-Atheists?

  by palmtree67 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ricky gervais tweeted this 11/14/12 and i totally agree with it:.

  "there are good atheists and bad atheists.

  there are good believers and bad believers.. no god has ever changed that.".

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  palmtree67

  Open a thread obviously about faith (or go to a place that allows faith to be expressed), and you cannot complain when you find that 'faith' is being served for dinner.

  I think that's a bit of a st.....re....t....ch.......

  But kudos on your loyalty to your friend.