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  The JW's 2 witness rule applied to Molestation is wrong AND HERE'S WHY

  by wozza in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is not the first time i've written about this, but with the royal commission happening here in australia, and having fought against the wts on this problem of molestation in the wts over a period of 15 years i feel a need to explain what i found which contradicts what the wts says and the way they handle cases within their society.. i am not going to give the history of my involvement but just state simply why no-one can believe what the wts says ,and we all know the scriptures they use to not handle cases of molestation properly , so here goes , it's not tricky or hard to understand i think, but just use the bible against them (hope this is used at the commission).. i,m using the revised berkely version in plain english here ,.

  the context is law giving in the book of deuteronomy ch 22 : vs 22 - 27. vs 22 "when a man is surprised abed with a married woman,they shall both die ,the man who lay with the woman and the woman too; you shall wipe out the evil from israel.".

  so this is easy to grasp ,man sleeps with married woman ,judged to die -they got caught.. next vs 23- 24 "when a man comes upon a girl in the city, who is a virgin betrothed to another , and he lies with her,24 you shall bring them both to the gate of the city and stone them to death, the girl because she did not cry out, although the city was all about her, and the man because he violated his neighbour's wife.

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  I would like to bump this back again for the new ones here to reason on.
  

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  How were you 'outed' ??

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  many of us here have been "outed" as ones who no longer believe that this is "the truth".. many didn't have the chance to do it in our own way, and in our own time, but rather someone "found out about our apostasy" and "reported" it to the spiritual police (elders).

  would you like to share your stories?.

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  Told my book study overseer that my conscience would not allow me to preach for JW anymore as he knew my stand against pedophiles in the org

  Next,soon after a couple of sisters called at my door with their children witnessing and I told them of at least one JW man in our hall who is a pedophile and named him . He was actually working with them that day next door with a child ,they thanked me for warning them to protect their children and I explained which elders knew about his pedophilia and which ones did'nt.

  They obviously talked to the elders abut our conversation and two of them came to see me at home did the old "Do believe the Org is directed by the GB " spiel

  No witness would walk on by my house after that and it was reported to me that I was supposed to be demonised................................... well the pedophile went to jail and they still visited him in prison.
  
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  suicide

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  who among us has known a jw who has committed suicide.

  i believe this as a separate subject has not been covered..

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  First JW person was my mother in law, cancer, breast removed still in a bad way 2 years later ,as she was diabetic her wounds would not heal . She asked to talk to me privately one day while dressing her wounds,this was some time before i became a jw. Asked me what she should do because of the pain and misery , I asked if talking to her elders would help and she explained what their view was .Yet she wanted and trusted my view. and as I finished cleaning her wounds I suggested that if she stopped the insulin it could be seen as life running it's course .I told my wife and her sister what had transpired .they stayed that night as she gently drifted into a coma and passed away with dignity not what the elders told her . I miss her conversations it's been over fourty years now since she passed and 1975 .the release she hoped for did'nt come.

  Another person was a teenager from a congo near me at the time in Queensland Australia. I used to do some building work with a brother in law and his gang of workers. He was JW and some of his young workers were too .but not all. One day travelling up the freeway to a job in his truck with the gang I saw a young man come out the bush alongside the road looking strange and distressed and I pointed this out to the brother in law who tried to ignore my plea to stop. Well one of the guys recognised the teenager and said so but this still did'nt prompt the brother in law to stop and we continued to go down the road to work.

  On the news that night it was reported a teenager walked out into the highway traffic at the spot we saw him .I felt sick and we talked about it at work the next day , As it turned out the teenager was part of a group of kids in the nearby Kingdom hall to me who had been molested over the years by a JW man who used to take the kids from the hall on "private " bible studies in the bush . How do I know this ? The young man who recognised him from in our car was one of the boys who had been molested also - he was distressed beyond belief, he never spoke about it again as he did'nt attend meetings. much like the other victims.

  I moved away soon after but to this day I am angry at the brother in law who would not stop .But when I think about it good won't come from bad ,he molested his wifes sister when she was 12 and that girl had his baby and yet she never left him and his JW once an Elder father is a child molestor ,still in.
  
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  Motorcycle talk: run what you brung

  by _Morpheus in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  so i saw vander posted a pic of himself on his bike and recently pm’d with another member who rides (i will let him speak for himself if he wishes) and it seems like a thing for some of us, so... whatcha got?

  post a pic of your ride.....

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  One of my first 1973 Yamaha MX250 yellow helmet

  
  
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  Motorcycle talk: run what you brung

  by _Morpheus in

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  so i saw vander posted a pic of himself on his bike and recently pm’d with another member who rides (i will let him speak for himself if he wishes) and it seems like a thing for some of us, so... whatcha got?

  post a pic of your ride.....

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  And my dirt road ride an old KLX 650

  
  
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  Motorcycle talk: run what you brung

  by _Morpheus in

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  so i saw vander posted a pic of himself on his bike and recently pm’d with another member who rides (i will let him speak for himself if he wishes) and it seems like a thing for some of us, so... whatcha got?

  post a pic of your ride.....

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  Love the Norton

  Here's my daily

  
  
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  Motorcycle talk: run what you brung

  by _Morpheus in

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  so i saw vander posted a pic of himself on his bike and recently pm’d with another member who rides (i will let him speak for himself if he wishes) and it seems like a thing for some of us, so... whatcha got?

  post a pic of your ride.....

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  oops photos did'nt upload mmmmm how to do
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  Motorcycle talk: run what you brung

  by _Morpheus in

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  so i saw vander posted a pic of himself on his bike and recently pm’d with another member who rides (i will let him speak for himself if he wishes) and it seems like a thing for some of us, so... whatcha got?

  post a pic of your ride.....

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  One of my first bikes Yamaha MX250 1973 - yellow helmet is me

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  In 1971 I had this

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  1974 this beauty

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  many others over the decades ..........

  Then this restoration 1998 Yamaha xjr1300 hotted up till about a year ago

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  And now a couple of my rides again restored abit

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  /home/stephen/Motorcycle/BIKES/Thruxton.jpg
  
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  "Go and tell someone who cares...I dont care!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i don't usually like the confrontational approach to those on the carts, however this video is a great example of how jws do not really care about child abuse issues!.

  the arrogance of this brother is disturbing..... bear with the video.

  it gets really interesting around the 6 min mark, where the brother loses his cool.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5chulnnyqs.

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  Well that was entertaining ,the ex jw needs to remember ,in my opinion ,the service school lessons from of old when dealing with one of these old farts.

  Lets review ..........THE TALK

  short introduction raising points

  the body make succinct points explaining with facts and EVIDENCE

  conclusion tie up all points in summary making reference to the introdution

  He said he had been there the day before so be prepared with paper evidence to back what is said.

  Definitely points for courage and remember there is nothing frightens the crap out of a witness more than EVIDENCE on paper............it's all apostate writing from the devil ya know.

  As for the old fart , he was useless like a lot of blokes like him who are in JW's ,when confronted with irrefutable evidence they cough and splutter and then get angry because they have lost control of themself and their argument.

  I reckon try again with evidence and it will all be over in a short time and you can enjoy your day knowing failures in life like the old fart live as legends in their own mind and you tried but they failed.
  
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  St Petersburg Assembly Hall to be given to Russian scientists

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://realty.newsru.com/article/26dec2017/iegov_med.

  (the following article is translated using google translate).

  the building selected in "jehovah's witnesses" in st. petersburg will be given to scientistsdecember 26, 2017 publication time: 09:42. in a building selected from a banned organization in russia, "jehovah's witnesses", will soon be able to read scientific lectures.

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  Jehovah must have been at privvy .....the real big one....when this all went down double Yay!