If only I'd known - life would have been so much simpler LOL
GromitSK
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Non-practising homosexual JW's
by Quillsky inas i understand it, being gay is not a sin in the organization, only homosexual acts are sins.
i've never read anywhere that gay jw people are encouraged to "fix" their gayness and marry.. i've certainly known a fair number of confirmed bachelor types who live exemplary lives in the witness sense - one life-long bethelite i knew springs to mind - but are clearly (to me anyway) gay.
they've all been in the closet though.. i wonder if any jw has ever been out of the closet, but not disfellowshipped since they don't have sex?
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Non-practising homosexual JW's
by Quillsky inas i understand it, being gay is not a sin in the organization, only homosexual acts are sins.
i've never read anywhere that gay jw people are encouraged to "fix" their gayness and marry.. i've certainly known a fair number of confirmed bachelor types who live exemplary lives in the witness sense - one life-long bethelite i knew springs to mind - but are clearly (to me anyway) gay.
they've all been in the closet though.. i wonder if any jw has ever been out of the closet, but not disfellowshipped since they don't have sex?
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GromitSK
I suspect that there are many different causes for and degrees of homosexuality. Peer pressure to marry has been a common feature in society for centuries (if not longer). I do know of men (and women) who married for love and brought up children and then made a relationship with someone of the same sex.
I do think that denying a person the fulfilment to be gained from a loving relationship is a cruel thing.
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Non-practising homosexual JW's
by Quillsky inas i understand it, being gay is not a sin in the organization, only homosexual acts are sins.
i've never read anywhere that gay jw people are encouraged to "fix" their gayness and marry.. i've certainly known a fair number of confirmed bachelor types who live exemplary lives in the witness sense - one life-long bethelite i knew springs to mind - but are clearly (to me anyway) gay.
they've all been in the closet though.. i wonder if any jw has ever been out of the closet, but not disfellowshipped since they don't have sex?
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GromitSK
I was disfellowshipped when I confessed to having had sexual contact with another man. I didn't feel that the JC dealt with me unfairly but they definitely suggested I consider getting married (to a woman I mean lol)
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"Letting Spiritual Light Shine Online" - Watcthower.org gets 70,000 hits a day!
by slimboyfat ini am reading the new 2010 yearbook at the moment.
on page 13 it says www.watchtower.org gets 70,000 hits a day, and that 24 million people visited the web site last year, a 33% increase since 2007. .
simon, how does that compare with this site?
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GromitSK
I bet it's a lot less than the Dilbert website.
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Where is the best place in the world to live?
by highdose incould be just a whim, but highdoses feet are feeling itchy today.
i'm young, unattached was thinking about upping sticks again maybe.. .
can i get any recomendations from anyone?.
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GromitSK
Salt Lake City?
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response from Ray Franz on generation change
by isaacaustin inthanks for your letter and the thoughts contained.
others had commented on the latest shift of the interpretation of this generation.
as you recognize this allows for an unending extension of time and likely stems from an awareness of the approach of the year 2014 marking 100 years since the date of 1914.. .
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GromitSK
Hi Jdhf
With a nod to yaddayaddas comment about going off topic I will be brief and am happy to take this conversation to another thread. I would be tempted to view your current position as an opportunity rather than panic and run for security. Replace some of the faith with knowledge that comes from research (a lot easier these days!) and see where you end up. Keep an open mind. Don't panic. Ask yourself "why do I need" whatever it is you feel you need. Your need to understand what this is all about, who we are and why we are here is perfectly natural and humans have tried to resolve it for millennia. I doubt there is a single "true" answer. Personally I would shape my beliefs based on my experience and research and modify it as I learn more.
Devout Catholics are easy targets for JWs. (Speaking from experience). Your experience of leaving (If you have) JWs sounds recent. If so I guarantee it will settle down over time. The more you read and discuss the easier you will feel. Look upon this as an opportunity to build a solid foundation for your understanding of your place in the world. Not based on interpretations of men or so called Holy Books - unless that is what you want.
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response from Ray Franz on generation change
by isaacaustin inthanks for your letter and the thoughts contained.
others had commented on the latest shift of the interpretation of this generation.
as you recognize this allows for an unending extension of time and likely stems from an awareness of the approach of the year 2014 marking 100 years since the date of 1914.. .
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GromitSK
I second your advice cofty.
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response from Ray Franz on generation change
by isaacaustin inthanks for your letter and the thoughts contained.
others had commented on the latest shift of the interpretation of this generation.
as you recognize this allows for an unending extension of time and likely stems from an awareness of the approach of the year 2014 marking 100 years since the date of 1914.. .
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GromitSK
I assume Isaac is Ray....!! I am still reading his books, and feel like the blind Jesus healed. I feel thanks to him I can see the truth...thing is, I still don't have anything to replace it with...any ideas??
How do you mean replace? I assume you are no longer a JW - if so what were you before?
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response from Ray Franz on generation change
by isaacaustin inthanks for your letter and the thoughts contained.
others had commented on the latest shift of the interpretation of this generation.
as you recognize this allows for an unending extension of time and likely stems from an awareness of the approach of the year 2014 marking 100 years since the date of 1914.. .
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GromitSK
Cheers LWT. I can't remember when Ray became a GB member - do you recall?
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response from Ray Franz on generation change
by isaacaustin inthanks for your letter and the thoughts contained.
others had commented on the latest shift of the interpretation of this generation.
as you recognize this allows for an unending extension of time and likely stems from an awareness of the approach of the year 2014 marking 100 years since the date of 1914.. .
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GromitSK
Whilst I would not seek to undermine Ray's work which has doubtless helped very many,
Then you proceed to undermine him and his work????????
HappyGuy read me completely correctly. I offered a balancing opinion. I am entitled to that am I not? Just as many on here, I had my life seriously interfered with by the WTS in which Ray was a leading member for very many years. If offering comment based on my experiences undermines Ray's work then it isn't worth much is it? I happen to think Ray has simply done the right thing after a long time (and done a good job of it in CoC) and good for him. I have no personal feeling one way or the other to him.
As to the kind of person Ray is I offer no comment because I do not know him and have never had any kind of communication with him. I am happy to accept that those who know him think he is terrific and a genuine person.
If your personal experience is different from mine and you worship the ground he walks on that's your business. I don't have the same opinion and I am, I think, entitled to express it without it being seen as an attempt to discredit the guy. It's about balance. This doesn't devalue your opinion of the guy as it's your personal opinion.
As far as his writing are concerned, I think they are important. Especially CoC. and add significantly to the volume of evidence against the WTS and JWs.
@leavingWT - that Ray is a hero to you is based on your experience and I think you're the best judge of that.