You are thinking of how you feel and what you want just now. Jump forward ten years from now. What do you see? JW wife? JW kids? You possibly DF/DA for 'apostasy'' for not believing this is God's organization. How will your social life be then? Will your own family be shunning you? The 'friends' you went back to have, will they be shunning you? You are going back on a LIE. Many of the teachings you find hard to accept. You want friends ......... then go and find real ones who have no conditions attatched. JWs are only your friends as long as you are part of the club. You will be taking a step back ward if you go back. What kind of life do you want for your kids? Please think long and hard before you close all of lifes doors to enter just one.
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Relapse: I'm considering returning to the Kingdom Hall.
by Blue Grass ini'm a long time lurking of this site(2 years) and a first time poster.
to provide a little background of myself i was not raised as a witness but started studying when i was 19 and got baptized at age 21. a few months after i was baptized i left due to the constant worship of the faithful and discreet slave and the lack of emphasis on christ.
for reasons i'm not sure about yet i decided to attend the district convention last week.
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An Open Letter to Jehovah's Witnesses
by AK - Jeff indear jw's -.
i was, not too long ago, one of you.
i loved jehovah, and his organization.
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iknowall558
What a brilliant letter. It so mild mannered and non-confrontational yet has the strength to make you sit up and pay attention. Letters like this should be on billboards near and around assembly stadiums.
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I can't take this pain anymore...my life at dead end
by JustHuman14 inmy life has reached to a dead end...i'm stuck and there is no way out.
i was inactive for 6 years and i'm disfellowshiped for the past 3. i would never think that my life would have been in this terrible mess.. .
i wasn't planned to be disfellowshiped by my "wife" turned me in to the elders for apostasy 2 times!!!
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Hi JustHuman I feel so sorry for the pain you feel in your heart. The WT has a lot to answer for. Your wife asked you back.....Why? Does she still believe that you are her head and head of your own house? If so, then you have a say in what happens. You shouldn't have to leave your own house to allow people to come in who won't even speak to you.
Does your wife know how depressed you feel? I would strongly advise you go to see the doctor. I would also encourage you to keep contact with the friends you had a reunion with. Make plans for yourself on a day to day basis. Give yourself something to look forward to. Your life is YOURS -- not anyone elses. You take control of it! Everyday is a blank canvas --- don't let anyone else paint the picture for that day. YOU DO IT !
The myth of sisyphus is what played over in my mind when I was at an emotionally crippling time in my life. I too related to the fact he had this constant and repeated punishment of pushing this huge rock up the hill, never being able to quite get it to the top. I could picture him with his face pressed against the rock, his heels dug in the mud and the strain on his face as he found himself almost there, only for the rock to roll back down to the bottom.
But even in this never ending hardship, he did find relief in his walk down the hill to start pushing it all over again.
Albert Camus also wrote..........."In the depths of winter, I found within myself an invincible summer".
Without realising it, sometimes when things are at their most difficult, is when we are at our strongest. Please try and find the strength to take control of your life. Get your yourself feeling well and you will be more prepared to try and tackle the rest. I really hope things work out for you. Nothing lasts forever. Things won't always be like this. It will get better. You will work out what the best action is to take. You WILL feel happy again. It just doesn't seem like it just now, so please don't give up hope. All the best! X
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The "They Are Imperfect" Excuse
by LouBelle indoesn't it just make you sick to your stomach?.
dozens of doctrine changes that effect the lives of the rank and file: the fds are only imperfect men and didn't understand the bible truths at the time.. pedophiles that are protected or not reported and allowed to stay in the congregation: these men are imperfect and this sin isn't unique to jws.
the organisation has it's problems just like any other...they are not perfect after all.. all their prophesies - failed: the fds are only imperfect men and have never claimed to be a prophet.. i am truly sick of this overused excuse.
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Reniaa said --
One of the reasons I am not in a christendom religion is there inability to be refined from false teaching they accummulated from the great Apostasy hundreds of years ago.
All fine and good . . . . . . . . SO WHAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS YOU ARE NOT IN THE 'TRUE' RELIGION ?
Defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend, defend.....................If it's worth so much of your time and effort.......why are you not there........................? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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The "They Are Imperfect" Excuse
by LouBelle indoesn't it just make you sick to your stomach?.
dozens of doctrine changes that effect the lives of the rank and file: the fds are only imperfect men and didn't understand the bible truths at the time.. pedophiles that are protected or not reported and allowed to stay in the congregation: these men are imperfect and this sin isn't unique to jws.
the organisation has it's problems just like any other...they are not perfect after all.. all their prophesies - failed: the fds are only imperfect men and have never claimed to be a prophet.. i am truly sick of this overused excuse.
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Funny how every other religious group or organization are 'wrong', 'wicked', 'controlled by Satan' or 'dont have God's backing'. Hmmmmm.........but when they fall short on anything,.......... it's to down to Adam.
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Shocker! Watchtower says DON'T share experiences with demons..."it's promoting Satan!!"
by Witness 007 inan incredible turn around when you see the watchtower index full of demonic handbags, houses, idols etc.
etc.. the new bookstudy book "keep yourselves in god's love.
" p.191 was a shocker for me!
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reniaa and others.....if i missed this already well darn......but why the hell would there be soooo many demon stories TOLD IN THE BIBLE?!?!?......if it is bad to repeat them?????......oompa
good point
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What is the real growth?
by Koiné inhallo everyone,.
has anyone an idea ,what the real growth precentage of the wo organisation is?
( from russel on and especially the last decennia).
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iknowall558
need to get my calculator....
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Are they really waiting for us to die?
by iknowall558 inthis is something i've thought about over and over in my mind.
anyone df or da are viewed by active jws as "dead when armageddon comes".
are they waiting for us to die?.
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Dozy ---- Very little effort is made to shepherd. .
Although in theory DF ones should be contacted annually by the elders , in practice congs only do it when the WTS writes to them , usually on a 5 or 10 yearly basis.
Its sad but true that this is the case in most congregations. This applies to those both in and out of the org. It's like you said at the end of your post, it's evidence of being a victim of an unchristian system.
This is so far removed from how Jesus conducted himself toward people. He never needed prompted. He never did anything out of 'duty' or to keep the paperwork tidy.
It's not love that keeps the wheels of the org. turning, it's the rules. The Rules are above everything. The Bible says that Love is above all.
When the underlying attitude is 'the rules RULE!'........then where is the flexibility? Enforcing regulations means more than anything in the org. Jesus publicly condemned the Pharisees for this lack of compassion. They were anal as a group, and so are the JWs. Sorry for offending anyone, but its true. They are the spiritual equivalent of a 'jobsworth'.
I don't think 'real love', - 'Jesus love', comes naturally to a witness because the 'rules' get in the way. So when someone is DF/DA, the 'love' and longing for that person is overshadowed by the thought that -- "They have broken the RULES".
carla --- good quotes.
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Are they really waiting for us to die?
by iknowall558 inthis is something i've thought about over and over in my mind.
anyone df or da are viewed by active jws as "dead when armageddon comes".
are they waiting for us to die?.
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mraimondi ----- My husband, while being grilled at his JC, in front of three COs, three elders, and two witnesses testifying against him (one of which was his own brother) -- eight in total, was told by them in frustration ..........."You might as well tell us what we want to know, because if Armageddon comes, you know you've had it."
Firstly, this is most definitely projection on their part. They were dangling this threat of death over him in the hope he would give them the information they wanted. I think any normal thinking person would agree that this was a terrible thing to say. They didn't want my husband to "repent", they wanted the 'concrete' evidence to DF him for the second time. This was his appeal committee. This was his brothers second time testifying against him. My husband had a different point of view........that's all. As far as they were concerned, Jehovah was gonna kill him for this, and as was mentioned they had already emotionally detatched themselves from him........even his one and only brother.
This ability to 'disconnect' from loved ones shows a coldness of heart, and makes you question whether their love/affection for you was genuine in the first place. My hubby, while waiting for the committee to decide their verdict, overheard his brother say,..." I hope this doesn't take too long, I've got an office to clean...."
My hubby was about to be 'sentenced to death'. He was gonna walk the 'green mile' so to speak, and his brother wanted to make sure all his work committments were in order. That's how sad he was..................So does he really believe it? Why wasn't he distraught?
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Are they really waiting for us to die?
by iknowall558 inthis is something i've thought about over and over in my mind.
anyone df or da are viewed by active jws as "dead when armageddon comes".
are they waiting for us to die?.
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Sammielee24 --- "They arent going to waste their time on you when you deserted the organization".
Is it right to say that trying to 'save' someone is to 'waste their time'? I know what you're saying though, ......we deserted the org., so we have put ourselves in line for death, (according to their view). It is twisted thinking like you say, but even those requiring medical or life saving treatment from doctors due to smoking, alcoholism or over eating, aren't ignored or turned away, being told by the doctors that they're wasting their time because they brought it on themselves.
"but even for those of us who have family in, Elders, PO's etc, it's really pretty interesting, since shouldn't they in their lofty positions, be especially thoughtful and counsel their own family members to come back in? Not when you consider that even amongst family members holding those positions, their first loyalty is to the rules of shunning and second to shepherding."
This is why, as was mentioned, the real natural affection is not present. The elders/GB rules require that upon visiting a DA/DF person, ONCE A YEAR WILL SUFFICE. Where is the urgency in that?