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  Have you been able to find security after leaving JW's?

  by MacNCheese in

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  i've been a non-jw (apostate, da--depending on who's reading) for about seven years now after growing up at jw.

  one of the hardest things i've had to overcome was the sense of security that being a jw gives you.

  for example: i personally am somewhat affraid to fly and remember growing up praying as hard as possible that the plane wouldn't go down and for god to ease my nerves; it usually worked.

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  Welcome MACandCheeze. You too Morbidz!

  It's a long road to where you are now, and it's a long road getting to where you would like to be. As children we looked to our parents for security. Now that we are older, we have to find in ourselves I do believe. Perhaps you will find that to one of these days.

  I know firsthand how hard it is to adjust your thinking, after you have been told how to think for so long. God, is STILL there, your just looking at him from a different perspective now, and he at you...your still looking at him, and thats what counts.

  "Do any of you have a smilar story?"

  I don't know that I have a similar story, but i sure have had similar feelings. It's ridiculously hard to go from having the percieved "support" of an organization, to having to stand on your own. It's even harder to have a percieved notion that God is with you, to have him abandon you. I don;t know if you still read the bible or not, and I'm not preaching here, but the story of Job (and not just the overall "theme" of the book) was REALLY good for me. God wants you to stand on your own two feet.

  Congrats on standing up for yourself and I'm happy knowing your gonna feel way better, after you hang out here for a while.

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  Are there things they DON'T tell you until AFTER you're baptized?

  by lavendar in

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  just wondering....... are there certain teachings / beliefs they don't tell a person who is studying....until after they're baptized?.

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  A few thoughts if i may boys. As new as i am here, I'm not new to the "truth".

  Everyone here on this board for the most part is at different stages of "leaving" or certain point "past" leaving. There are no wrongs here really, just different perspectives. Bottom line is we all recognize the society for what it is now.

  The bottom line is : One way or another, they want you "in". To get you in though, you have to subject yourself. As Sacolton brings out, the questions appear to be a test to see if you CAN be indoctrinated.They KNOW that once your "IN", you will become a dependant.Subjection then becomes PART OF YOUR LIFE! Was it not 3 years ago at the Distict Convention that they said "young ones, please, make a 3 year commitment and see for yourself".(I had a reliable JW friend tell me this). Once your in, numbers say you'll stay in. As LeavingWT brings out, noone joins...their recruited.Individually and by mass. (asssemblies)

  Once your "in"and since you are indoctrinated in such a way, that subjection now is given to the Elders. One thing that is great about the truth with regards controlling is that that it is so obscure. Elders, use this to their individual benefit. Once someone comes in, the subject themselves to the Elders, and I think thats where the Society got really messed up. Different Elders, from different places, have differnt views, and different understandings...it's not a united religion.

  From the new recruit, to the GB, it's all one big game of Master and Servant.

  I think there's also two versions of the watchtower now, one for door-to-door and one with study articles for the congregation. I don't know what the rules are on who gets that. But if you're in attendance when they study it, you hear everything.

  Im assuming that the two "versions" have the same printed material. One has questions the other doesn't. Since people are more aware of the "control" religions desire to have, the questions are left out for the average joe...there is no use in preparing them for what they are in store for. It's deceitful imo. How do the rank and file explain the two versions?

  Thank you. Lurk3r
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  Most Disgusting Act By A Dominos Employees *Warning! Sick YouTube Videos*

  by Yizuman in

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  http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2009/04/video-let-the-dominoes-appall.html.

  ewwww, i mean, ewwwwwwwwwww!

  how disgusting can a human being get?

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  WAIT!!

  It gets better....http://ncfindoffender.com/details.aspx?SRN=016454S11

  That upstanding young woman filming the whole thing, is a registered sex offender. I always wondered where those folks were able to get work.

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  The biggest issue the Society has to face.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
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  not paedophilia - as much as that must be dealt with.

  not blood, shunning, corruption, failed prophecy, bunked chronology, the internet or u.n type scandals.. the biggest issue/threat the watchtower faces is authority.. hold up any other issue before a true jw and the shutters come down.

  because they have listened to 'authority'.

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  I think you guys are right, and it still falls into line with what Nic is saying. If the homosexual thing DID come to a fore in such a manner, and the society ended up accepting it, it would appear they had no authority.

  How could they accept such a thing without losing LOADS of members? They couldn't. Sodom and Gomorrah is pretty straightforward. If they "talked" , even "breathed" about accepting homosexuals on ANY level...they would fall hard, as there would be many a more teaching that would have to be adjusted after.

  Hmmm. I think if there are any lurkers about, they should go out and get themseves a pink suit...get this in motion.

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  Wasn't it the BEST when the speaker DIDN'T SHOW for the Public Talk?

  by lurk3r in

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  and all we had to do was sit thorugh the watchtower sudy?

  it was a jw christmas!.

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  Same here. I remember looking out my window as a kid, thinking "woooo hooo" as the snow came falling down. I was always so disappointed when there was STILL a meeting the following morning.
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  Wasn't it the BEST when the speaker DIDN'T SHOW for the Public Talk?

  by lurk3r in

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  and all we had to do was sit thorugh the watchtower sudy?

  it was a jw christmas!.

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  And all we had to do was sit thorugh the Watchtower Sudy? It was a JW Christmas!
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  Great, simple Watchtower quote to show their HYPOCRISY. Easy to use.

  by nicolaou in

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  2. beliefs

  "we cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry-be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization.

  " the watchtower, 11/1/1990, p. 26. .

  and from the very same month and year .

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  *** You Can live Forever (1982, 1990) p.255 ***

  Do not conclude that there are different roads, or ways, that you can follow to gain life in God's new system. There is only one. There was just one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization—God's visible organization — that will survive the fast-approaching "great tribulation." It is simply not true that all religions lead to the same goal... You must be part of Jehovah's organization, doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life...

  The above is vague for sure, but this one is a LITTLE more clear with things. This was the closest I found Elsewhere. (thanks to blondie here)

  Jehovah uses this organization because it is meek and teachable and is not set and bound in its viewpoints. It is an organization that looks to Jehovah for guidance and direction and watches his maneuvering of matters on the world scene and the outworking of events that fulfill prophecy and it lines up its views in accord with these things. It is willing to change and keep up with the developing conditions, to keep up with the light as the light is revealed brighter and brighter. That is why Jehovah can use this organization, and certainly the facts show that he has been using it and is continuing to use it. He is bringing the increase. He is using this organization to preach the good news of the established Kingdom in all the inhabited earth. Prophecies are being fulfilled upon this group. We are counseled to remain close to the organization, for even if the organization does have views that are later changed, our safety lies in remaining within the organization and changing with it when the light increases and new truths are discerned.

  No other organization has shown this flexibility to alter its views, to keep up with the changing times, to be alert to the increased light that comes from Jehovah from the temple, for other groups are bound by their centuries-old creeds. Rather than a stumbling stone, the Society's readiness to alter its views when necessary should be a source of comfort and encouragement, an assurance that there will be continual advancement and increase in learning, an ever-brightening light as we approach closer to the perfect day with its noonday brightness. A false religion may have some truth in it, but it never gets rid of its many falsehoods and the truth it does have continues to be contaminated. With Jehovah's organization the beliefs can be established from the Bible, and when some erroneous view does creep in it is soon ferreted out and discarded.

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  Did You Know?

  by purplesofa in

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  you may have seen this already, 4.3 million hits at youtube.. .

  a fascinating look into the.

  mind-boggling progression of information technology.

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  Thanks for the link Purps! I DID know...but only cause i seen this before.

  The ones that get me : " The 25% of India's population with the highest IQ's...is GREATER than the TOTAL POPULATION of the US." thats huge. TRANSLATION : "India has more honor kids than America HAS kids." HUGE!!!

  I do wonder how accurate all these points are....but they still warrant consideration regardless.

  Good post! lurk3r
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  press interview tomorrow, can DF be far behind?

  by chickpea in

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  my youngest, now 15 yo,.

  is a female to male .

  transgender boy...... he has been active with .

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  acquiesce - I love that word.

  I think that you say in your thread is spot on, you little "prophetess" you.

  I would gather that since there have been many things that you have had to address and subsequently "fight", with regards to public syniscim and the like; has made you strong. Being labeled "df'd" now, could well be just another day for ya.

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  Convention-Assembly CONTRIBUTIONS, Elder Experience Required

  by V in

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  2. beliefs

  do you have experience as an elder and the contribution arrangement for assemblies or conventions?

  an upcoming watchtower comments video will be exposing the resolution arrangement that makes this a cash-cow for the society.. i am particularly interested in recent experience, including countries other than the us.. let's get our facts straight and explain the ever-present "deficit" once and for all.. v. [email protected] .

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  Drew..I would wager a guess to say that it is the same as literature. Taxes.