Posts by RevJohn

26

WT says 'Church Fathers were leading teachers'

by youdontknowhim in

was it jehovahs witnesses who acknowledge the church father as leading teachers?

this is a very interesting statement by justin.

do you accept origen as an authority when he said jesus is our god?

RevJohn

YOUDONTKNOWHIM Writes:

I sincerely apologize for being a little repugnant or if I displayed any aversion.
Several years ago my message was posted on AOLs message board and the comprehension for everyone on the board seems to think it was free from obscurity or any ambiguity.
Now, I am in no fashion whatsoever giving any implication that anyone here has some kind of illiteracy problem or has the inability to comprehend simple sentence structure.
My posts are written so the average mind can easily grasp content. Perhaps I should expand with slight elaborations on my sentence structure so the feebleminded individuals will not have any complications of comprehending and grasping the nature of my message.
If I choose this style of writing, it is possible the majority will not understand a DARN WORD I JUST SAID.
SHALL I MAINTAIN MY ORIGINAL WRITING STYLE OR DO YOU WISH FOR ME TO CONTINUE WRITING CRAP LIKE THE CRAP YOU JUST READ ABOVE??

ROFL. Hey YOUDONTKNOW, have a little more enervation. Don't become discombobulated from the criticisms. In other words, relax, take it easy.

Continue writing the crap if you wish.

6

Old Light Vs New Light. The Light is not Bright

by RevJohn in

old light vs. new light

the lighter is not bright .

the watchtower writes "if we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two years ago would be regarded as darkness now.

RevJohn

You are absolutely right. I can do better. I was a little tired when I wrote that. Feel free to add to the list.

6

Old Light Vs New Light. The Light is not Bright

by RevJohn in

old light vs. new light

the lighter is not bright .

the watchtower writes "if we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two years ago would be regarded as darkness now.

RevJohn

OLD LIGHT VS. NEW LIGHT

THE LIGHTER IS NOT BRIGHT

The Watchtower writes "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two years ago would be regarded as darkness now. But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. new Light never extinguishes older light, but adds to it." (WT Feb. 1881,page3)

Then the Watchtower goes on to say It is a serious matter to represent God and Christ in one way, then find that our understanding of the major teachings and fundamental doctrines of the Scriptures was in error, and then after that, to go back to the very doctrines that, by years of study, we had thoroughly determined to be in error. CHRISTIANS CANNOT BE VACILLATING - 'wishy washy' - about such fundamental teachings. WHAT CONFIDENCE CAN ONE PUT IN THE SINCERITY OR JUDGEMENT OF SUCH PERSONS." (Watchtower 5/15/76 p 298)

I ask JWs what confidence can you put in an organization that hypocritically can not abide by their own words? Look at all of the doctrinal changes your wonderful organization has shifted. Naughty Naughty Naughty! Remember, Old Light cannot contradict New Light.

OLD LIGHT

NEW LIGHT

This Light better not contradict the older light

Michael the Archangel worships Jesus Christ

The Watchtower; Nov. 1879; Page 4; His position (Jesus) is contrasted with that of men and angels, as he is Lord of both, having All power in heaven and earth. Hence it is said, let all the angels of God worship him: [That must include Michael the chief angel, hence Michael in not the Son of God] and the reason is because he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they.

Jesus is Michael the Archangel

The Watchtower; May 15, 1969; Page 307; Who is Michael? Michael is described as one of the foremost princes. There is Scriptural evidence for concluding that Michael was the name of Jesus Christ before he left heaven and after his return. In 1914 Jesus Christ was glorified in heaven at Gods right hand.

Jesus was crucified On A Cross

See old Watchtower Magazine from prior to 1930 known as The Watchtower Herald of Christs presence. In the upper right hand corner of the cover page there is a cross inserted in a crown which is one of the Masonic symbols.

Jesus was crucified on a torture stake

Mankind's Search for God, page 254, we read, "After Jesus had been passed from one to another, the Roman govenor Pontius Pilate, on the insistence of the religiously inspired mob, took the line of least resistance and sentenced Jesus to death. As a consequence, Jesus died in disgrace on a stake, and his body was placed in a tomb."

Christmas should be observed

The Watchtower; Dec. 15, 1903; Page 457; Christmas is an important event and it should be celebrated and properly join all those whose hearts are in the attitude of love and appreciation toward God and toward the Savior.

The Watchtower; Dec. 1, 1904; Page 364; Since the celebration of our Lords birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date. We may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate-Christmas Day.

The Watchtower; Dec. 15, 1926; Page 371; Christmas is very important regardless of the Date it occurred.

Christmas is a pagan holiday. JWs should have nothing to do with it!

The Watchtower Aug 15, 1995 page 28; CD ROM Version: Jehovahs Witnesses are thus well-known for refusing to take part in Christmas celebrations, birthdays, and other customs that conflict with Gods Word.
The Watchtower May 15, 1995 page 19: But then it was discerned that the observance of December 25 was actually pagan and was chosen by apostate Christendom to make it easier to convert pagans.

Pastor Charles Taze Russell is the Faithful Discreet Slave

The Watchtower; April 15, 1904; page 125. The faithful and discreet slave is one individual and not a company of people.

The Watchtower; Dec. 1, 1916; page 357 & 374. Pastor Russell claimed he was the faithful discreet slave in private conversation with people.

The Watchtower; March 1, 1922; page 74; Prophecy fulfilled. Circumstantial evidence are conclusive proofs that Brother Russell filed the office of that faithful and wise servant.
Informant; Nov. 1943; page 1; It was the Lords choice that Russell became the faithful and wise servant.

The Watchtower is the faithful and discreet slave

The Watchtower; Jan. 15, 1969; page 51; Jesus said, there would be a faithful and discreet slave class who would be providing the spiritual food to Gods family of devoted servants on earth, acting as his CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION

Gods Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached ; 1973; pages 345-346; Pastor Russell never claimed to be the faithful and wise servant.

1975 Yearbook of Jehovahs Witnesses ; page 88; The faithful and discreet slave is a class.

The Watchtower; Feb. 15, 1981; page 19; We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the Faithful and discreet slave organization.

Jesus Returned in 1874

The Watchtower; Feb. 1881; page 188; A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. New light never extinguishes older light but adds to it. Jesus returned invisibly in 1874.

The Battle of Armageddon; Studies in the Scriptures; Series IV; 1897; page 621; Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874 A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets

Jesus Returned in 1914

The Watchtower; Feb. 1, 1938; page 35; The Lord returned in 1914 to a secret temple of the Watchtower.
The Watchtower; Dec. 17, 1971; page 753/754; Now, after all the intervening years, we have the proof more than ever before that Jehovah God enthroned his Son Jesus Christ in the Messianic kingdom in the heavens at the close of the Gentile Times in the year 1914. We know that we are in the time of the end.

Jesus is the Alpha and Omega

The Finished Mystery; 1917; Page 15; I am the Alpha and the Omega. The first and the last. Our Lords great honor is shown in that He was not only the first of Gods creation, but the last.

The Finished Mystery ; 1917; Page 318; Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega.

Jehovah The Father the Alpha and Omega

The Watchtower Oct. 15, 1960 page 620; I am the Alpha and the Omega, says Jehovah God, the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty. John also quotes certain faithful living creatures as saying: Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is coming. (Rev. 1:8; 4:8)

The Anointed Class count has been completed in 1881 and no JW can become a member.

The Watchtower; Oct/Nov. 1881; page 289; Jesus returned in 1881 for the anointed class. The door was shut and no one can be a member of the anointed class at this point.

The Anointed Class count has been completed by 1935.

The Watchtower; Feb. 1, 1982; page 28; The 144,000 anointed class has been completed by 1935.

The Watchtower claims are inspired prophets

The Nations shall know that I am Jehovah; page 292; The Watchtower is an authentic prophet.
The Watchtower; Jan. 15, 1959; page 40-41; Whom has God actually used as his prophet? Jehovahs Witnesses are deeply grateful today that the plain facts show that God has been pleased to use them.
The Watchtower; April 1, 1972; page 197; So does Jehovah have a prophet to help them to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? This prophet is not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovahs Christian Witnesses. Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a prophet of God. It is another thing to prove it.

The Watchtower is not an inspired propehet

The Watchtower; May 15, 1976; page 297 Jehovahs Witnesses are not inspired prophets.

6000 years of human history ended in 1873

The Time Is at Hand, pg. 33

6000 years of human history ended in 1975

Awake!,Oct. 8 1968, pg 15

Angels direct the Watchtower

Vindication; 1932; page 250. It is angels that sends the message to the Watchtower and has been rendering this service to the remnant since 1919.

The Watchtower is directed by the Holy Spirit

The Watchtower, July 1, 1973 page 402:"Consider too the fact that Jehovah's organization alone in all the earth is directed by God's holy spirit..."

Sodom and Gomorrah will not receive a second opportunity

Watchtower, Feb. 1954, pg. 85

Sodom and Gomorrah will receive a second opportunity

Watchtower, Mar. 1965, pg. 139

HELLO MCFLY!

ANYBODY HOME?

HEY WATCHTOWER, WHO CHANGES THE BULB AT YOUR HEADQUARTERS?

11

144,000 pagans or annointed

by JCISGOD98 in

charles russell the first president of the watchtower believed and taught that the anointed ones, which are the 144,000 who go heaven, began to be chosen just as soon as the church began, and by the end of the first century most of them were chosen.

the watchtower of february 1, 1975, page 84 reiterated that jehovah god started selecting the 144,000 nineteen hundred years ago.

history tells us that this persecuted church continued for several centuries, so there were many years during which the true church existed and expanded.

RevJohn

LOL. JCISGOD98 is a member of the New World Translation Commitee. He's changing the bible to fit his own doctrines.

Does your version of the Bible have clarity and up to date language JC?

Don't forget, 144,000 are the greased class not the anointed. Make sure you translate that correctly.

7

Is The "Light Gets Brighter" Doctrine...

by adonoyechod in

i have often read, been told, and heard by jw's that the light gets brighter and brighter.

i realize that this particular phrase comes from the bible, but i fail to see it's application anywhere in the nt or ot.

at least in the manner in which they explain it.

RevJohn

The light at the Watchtower is at a low wattage. Perhaps they are using a 10 watt bulb. They need something higher. Perhaps it's a power surge they are experiencing. The electric companies in New York are reducing energy because the heat they are experiencing. Perhaps this could be a factor of the blinking light at Brooklyn headquarters.

5

Apostate Material is pornographic Baby

by JCISGOD98 in

"stay away from apostate material baby, it's pornographic saith

the watchtower!

jehovahs witnesses encourages their followers to stay away from apostate literature.

RevJohn

YO dude. Like I am so pornographic. Well, I'd rather be pornographic by Watchtower definition than to be a Governing Body or an elder who is a p edophile. At least my porno is clean.

1

Jesus inspects all the churches

by youdontknowhim in

according to the watchtower in one of their publications claimed jesus christ came in 1919 to inspect christendom.

see below for the actual quotation: .

time of inspection by the slave's master .

RevJohn

Wow. It appears the watchtower needs new light of this subject. Change the light bulb.

YDKH did it again. This post is a keeper.

7

NWT Bible has Clarity and clear language

by youdontknowhim in

the watchtower writes about their wonderful new world translation: .

"outstanding among bibles is the new world translation of the christian greek scriptures...accuracy, uniformity, clarity, and up-to-date language mark this excellent work.

according to the watchtower the nwt has accuracy, uniformity and most of clarity and up to date language.

RevJohn

Lets take a look at a verse and you let me know if this NWT bible has CLARITY AND UPDATE LANGUAGE.
King James Version: Ps 23:5
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. KJV
Now lets read the same verse in the NWT
New World Translation: Ps 23:5
You arrange before me a table in front of those showing hostility to me. With oil you have greased my head.
Do you Jehovahs Witnesses grease each other or anoint each other?
Can you say....The Anointed Class are not anointed....THEY ARE THE GREASED CLASS BABY!
Yes, ladies and gentlemen this bible has CLARITY AND UP TO DATE LANGUAGE!
I dont want the anointing....give me the grease man!
Grease is the word... is the word .... is the word ... is the word ... is the word
Can you name that tune for $100.00?

ROFL - - That is hysterical. Does the NWT render the verse that way? That is funny. Dont forget to post that one at the AOL discussion board. Im sure many will get a kick out of that one.

By the way, I dont know the name of the song but Im sure it is from the ~~Anointed~~, opps, I mean the GREASED Soundtrack with J.Travolta and Olivia.

Do I still get the $100 bucks?

7

Is The "Light Gets Brighter" Doctrine...

by adonoyechod in

i have often read, been told, and heard by jw's that the light gets brighter and brighter.

i realize that this particular phrase comes from the bible, but i fail to see it's application anywhere in the nt or ot.

at least in the manner in which they explain it.

RevJohn

It is true, the Holy Spirit will teach you all things without a doubt, however what I think adonoyechod is implying and correct me if Im wrong adonoy, no one in the bible including prophets, patriarchs, priests and men of God ever used Proverbs 4:18 as a cop out for justifying their mistakes.

On the contrary, when the WT prophesies falsely or changes any of their doctrines, they immediately run to Proverbs 4:18 and utters the words THE LIGHT WILL GET BRIGHTER. In others words, The WT knowledge will increase in time.

You never read of a doctrinal shift or a slight change in the Bible that contradicts the old teaching.

So the question is Why do the men of the Watchtower change doctrine, prophesy falsely then run to proverbs 4:18 to justify their errors when no one in the Bible has ever done it?

Is the light getting brighter at the Watchtower headquarter or is blinking on and off?

Is this what you're trying to imply Adonoyechod?

Edited by - revjohn on 4 August 2002 22:19:36

11

144,000 pagans or annointed

by JCISGOD98 in

charles russell the first president of the watchtower believed and taught that the anointed ones, which are the 144,000 who go heaven, began to be chosen just as soon as the church began, and by the end of the first century most of them were chosen.

the watchtower of february 1, 1975, page 84 reiterated that jehovah god started selecting the 144,000 nineteen hundred years ago.

history tells us that this persecuted church continued for several centuries, so there were many years during which the true church existed and expanded.

RevJohn

Give them time my brother. They're on their way.

Hey Andy....How do you get that picture in your posts? Is that the FORGIVEN picture? I want it dude. Email it to me please. I love that pic.

Edited by - revjohn on 4 August 2002 20:23:37