yes I am looking forward to that :)
im just greatful that i have the ability to realize what i am being fed.. or , correction, was being fed..
chellechelle
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a passage from "jehovahs witnesses answered verse by verse"
by chellechelle in" there is a story of a young boy whom others in the neighbourhood used to tease, calling him retarded.
knowing that the boy was really quite intelligent, an elderly neighbour inquired of the other boys why they teased him so.
" ' "oh, we have fun with him because he's so dumb, " ' " one youngster replied.
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a passage from "jehovahs witnesses answered verse by verse"
by chellechelle in" there is a story of a young boy whom others in the neighbourhood used to tease, calling him retarded.
knowing that the boy was really quite intelligent, an elderly neighbour inquired of the other boys why they teased him so.
" ' "oh, we have fun with him because he's so dumb, " ' " one youngster replied.
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chellechelle
" there is a story of a young boy whom others in the neighbourhood used to tease, calling him retarded. Knowing that the boy was really quite intelligent, an elderly neighbour inquired of the other boys why they teased him so. " ' "Oh, we have fun with him because he's so dumb, " ' " one youngster replied. " ' " if you hold a nickel in one hand and a dime in the other , and offer both to him, he will take the nickel because it looks bigger. He'll do it every time!" ' " Later on, the elderly gentlemen called the "retarded" boy over and asked him why he took the nickel. " ' " thats easy," ' " the child replied. " ' " Some weeks I end up with a pocket full of nickels. But, if i took the dime, that would be the end of the game!" '
* my opinions*
intelligence can be hard to determine. in this book i am currently reading it goes on to say how " whether it is a matter of slowly collecting nickels, or finding common ground, or using probing questions, or saving some points for another time we should give thought to our aproach so as to reach the hearts of others.. " However, to me this mans view on apostasy sounds a little to close to jw ways for me... i am thinking of this illustration in a different way....
my " associates", as i am now choosing to call them, choose to believe that i am not intelligent because i have chosen a lessser path... to go into the " world"a stupid action according to many. why would i give up this so called dime ( everlasting life in a paradise on earth) for something of lesser value. aka the nickel ( a life of my own ) well the reasons are clear if i chose the dime it would be the end of the game. If i chose to believe the lies of the "truth" than that would be the end of my life. one way or another we are all going to die eventually. i am noit being dark or morbid this is the realistic truth.. regardless of your beliefs. i would have devoted my life to this "god" and sacrificed friends, love, education, jobs , thinking ability etc. everything that i hole dear to myself to gain something that only seems to be better..... but really when you look at what it entails. is of lesser value. reason being.. it is a fairy tale.
I am happy to say that i have chosen the pocket full of nickels.. i have chosen the harder road.. the "truth" says that being in the religion is the harder road but i dont believe that.. to leave such a cult and start to actually realize that you have to think for yourself, instead of relying on the beliefs of others and the notions of the gb. that is harder. this would be my nickel.. However, coming back day after day to chose to remain faithful to myself instead of giving into the opinions of others this gives me my pocket full.
there is true relief in realizing that not everything is as it seems
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letter from a supposed friend
by chellechelle inmichelle, my dear girl :.
with all that you went through last year how could you felt yourself be sucked into a similar trap?
and when you saw yourseld going a certain way why didn't you ask for help?
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chellechelle
yes i suppose it counts for something... you are right about that. But i believe that people should not try to guilt others into believing something or make them feel bad for what they are doing.. choosing the life they wish to live. i know that she does care about me but i dont agree what so ever with what she is saying.. she had her freedom of opinion to write me and i have my freedom of opinion to talk about how what she said is wrong. i find great insult in being told that there is something wrong with me comparing me to having hypothermia drowning in the water which is the " world". i understand she means well . but then again i did not answer the letter to her.. i posted it to get feelings off of my chest and done away with .. and also to hear the advice of others. which i greatly apreciate hearing
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letter from a supposed friend
by chellechelle inmichelle, my dear girl :.
with all that you went through last year how could you felt yourself be sucked into a similar trap?
and when you saw yourseld going a certain way why didn't you ask for help?
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chellechelle
im not bitter at all i am realisitc why should i be upset by what she is doing.. i realize that i have waisted years of my life in the cult. i just use my sarcasm to go against what other people are saying. no bitterness at all... purely happy to be free
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letter from a supposed friend
by chellechelle inmichelle, my dear girl :.
with all that you went through last year how could you felt yourself be sucked into a similar trap?
and when you saw yourseld going a certain way why didn't you ask for help?
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chellechelle
yes well luckily that is what i have been doing..... making her realizes that this is the first extremly smart thing i have done in my mind.. to escape the borg.
however, my parents are creepy stalker obsessive people.. through her spy ways she has somehow come across my posts on jwd and is not pleased as i ahve just gotten off the phone with her about an hour ago.. ( i laugh.... )
she has also decided never to see me now.. never to be in the same room. however she is writing me a letter.
hurray for everyone here another dose of stupidity from my f'd up family... letters seem to be in fashion these days
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Judas Iscariot: Destiny or Fate?
by sacolton ini've always wondered if judas really had a choice in his role of deceiving jesus for 30 pieces of silver.
did he really have any freewill?
since the scriptures had to be fullfilled, was his fate pre-determined by god?
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chellechelle
thats is one thing i have always wondered about aswell. in the scriptures it says that jesus knew who his betrayer was. therefore, was it not part of some elaborate plan to set up the whole " sacrifice" of jesus death|????
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Another One Joins JWD
by allgoodthings... ini've been reading threads off and on for about a year now so i feel almost like i know some of you.
i just thought i would take the opportunity to introduce myself to the board.
it's very exciting to join up and become one of you.
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chellechelle
exactly what i felt i was kicked out of my house for leaving the religion so i have been a jwd junkie for the last few days. i havent done much else. it has really made me feel alot better tho..
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Inappropriate "shepherding" calls.
by avishai inhow many have recieved calls by the elders that were under the guise of "shepherding", but somehow inappropriate, i.e, you were a woman alone with only one elder showing up, or you felt physically intimidated by both.
or say they show up at like, 10:30 at night for a shepherding call.
and you say "hey, i appreciate the visit but please call first!
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chellechelle
i ave only once had a sheparding call where there were two " brothers".. and it seems the same guy had to hanlde all of my shizza. THe weirdest thing to heppen to me was recieving phone calls from that elder almost every day for a week. on my cell phone i might add. ( may just be me but i feel like cell phones are more personal .. ie. for friends family etc. ) he kept begging me to come back to the faith because he loved me.. yes no joke
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how many insiders?
by agent zero inhi everyone, i'm new here, been viewing the board for a while, decided to join yesterday.. so i'm about 95% convinced now the wts is bogus, but i'm still in coz as yall know leaving is the hardest part.
i plan on doing a fade to avoid the complete disconnection, but first want to gradually help my gf to see things too.
in the meantime, i'm just wondering how many of you are still "active" jdubs?
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chellechelle
i just joined yesterday aswell. i tried the slow fade and it didnt work for me. i did basically nothing for about a year but the last month has still be full of elder crap and judicial comitee excercises. and int he end thaey dont even give you the time to think. my advice is get out and feel free... whether you do it now or later the same things are still going to happen
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Isn't this proof the GB doesn't believe what it preaches?
by nbernat inif the gb really thought they had the exact truth perfect from flaws, shouldn't they be telling their members, "go look at the apostate stuff-- you'll see it's all lies!
compare it to the bible and you'll see it's all lies!
" that would completely eliminate apostasy if it were all true, no?.
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chellechelle
this is true.. if they were sure that the information they are putting out is true then they should have no problem with checking up on what others say.. the problem is that they arent sure of themselves. they realize that they only have so many ways of keeping their control over people's minds.. and one of these is the propoganda. if one of the so called " sheep" goes out and finds a greener pasture.. why would he want to come back..