The Watchtower - June 15, 1970 p.382, 383 Has a detailed arcticle on how the 144K "know" they are annointed. It also discusses the year 1935. It also gives information on how members of the 144K are replaceable even with newbie witnesses if they prove unfaithful.
hooberus
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a question about the "annointed" and ...
by simwitness incan someone help me understand the chronology of the "144,000" doctrine of the wtbs?.
what i am looking for is quotes/pointers to the publications about:.
1. how they decided who was of this "special" class.. 2. when the cuttoff point was for being part of it.
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Jesus was a False Prophet
by JosephAlward inas he sat upon mount of olives, jesus was telling his disciples about the end of the world and what they could expect just before that apocalyptic event.
they asked him, .
"when shall these things be?
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hooberus
Radar, I take Acts 7 as literal.
As for Carmel, I disagree with the last part of his comment on Jesus. 1 John 2:22; 1 John 4:2
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Evidence of creation?
by chappy innot trying to start a discussion about extra-terrestrial life, but i assume that most feel it to be a rather strong possibility whether your belief is in creation, evolution or both.. i agree that discovery of intelligent life outside this world doesn't prove creation.
suppose however that such life were discovered and that it was of the homo-saphien variety?
what would be the odds of this happening through pure evolution?
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hooberus
Evolutionists have a miracle called "convergence" which allows them to believe that very similar structures such as the mammal eye and the squid eye evolved separately. They invoke this mysterious and incredible miracle when they have to explain similar structures and designs when their normal miracle of "common descent" can't be called upon.
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Witnesses are coming to my door Sunday!
by jerome inthis post is pretty long so i just thought that i'd warn you.. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>.
w: yes he is but he is only the god of this world.
after all if what these people say is true then anybody that dosent know what it is in deep trouble.
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hooberus
Be sure to pray and above all else follow the Holy Spirit's leading.
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Witnesses are coming to my door Sunday!
by jerome inthis post is pretty long so i just thought that i'd warn you.. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>.
w: yes he is but he is only the god of this world.
after all if what these people say is true then anybody that dosent know what it is in deep trouble.
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hooberus
Two recent WT arcticles (which should be easy to bring up) may help you to directly and quickly separate the witnesses faith in God from their faith in the organization. This may be more effective in the limited amount of time that you have with them rather than an indirect "mind control" approach, which I believe may require more time than which you will have. Just as us Christains faith in the Bible and in God are inseparable, so the witnesses faith in God and the organization become blended. These two arcticles may help you to help them to separate their faith in God from faith in the WT, thus allowing them to still keep faith and security when you later bring up damaging information.
The WT 2-01-1996 p. 23 makes doubting the organization the same as doubting God and his Word.
Ask "Is doubting an organization the same as doubting God and his word?"
Ask "If hypothetically you for some reason lost faith in the WT Org. would you still have faith in God and his word? Give examples of people in other organizations who although they lost faith in their particular religion STILL kept their faith in God and the Bible.
The WT 3-15-1996 p. 16,17 makes loyalty to the organization more important than loyalty to God's word.
Ask "Should we put loyalty to a religious organization ABOVE loyalty to GOd's word?"
Don't argue whether or not God has an an organization but whether or not loyalty to God's word should be placed above organizational loyalty? Use Jesus's words about putting God's word above mans.
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Jesus was a False Prophet
by JosephAlward inas he sat upon mount of olives, jesus was telling his disciples about the end of the world and what they could expect just before that apocalyptic event.
they asked him, .
"when shall these things be?
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hooberus
Didn't Stephen see the son of man (Acts 7) before he tasted death?
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ARK eologists
by refiners fire inhere in australia a war has been going on for years in the media and in the courts.. the combatants:.
professor ian plimer, professor of geology at melbourne university.. and the "creation science foundation" run by a. a. snelling and carl wieland.. these men have sued and brawled with each other for years.. plimer wrote a book, a few years ago called.
"telling lies for god", a large portion of which discussed, and debunked, the possibility of noahs ark having been a literal boat.. still, what plimer calls "arkeologists"stage regular forays into turkey, looking for noahs ark on the mythical mount "ararat".. plimer says of these "arkeologists":.
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hooberus
Its amazing how the people here who think that it is ridiculous to believe that their grandparents were eight people on a boat, themselves believe the even more ridiculous notion that their grandparents were FISH and REPTILES!
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ARK eologists
by refiners fire inhere in australia a war has been going on for years in the media and in the courts.. the combatants:.
professor ian plimer, professor of geology at melbourne university.. and the "creation science foundation" run by a. a. snelling and carl wieland.. these men have sued and brawled with each other for years.. plimer wrote a book, a few years ago called.
"telling lies for god", a large portion of which discussed, and debunked, the possibility of noahs ark having been a literal boat.. still, what plimer calls "arkeologists"stage regular forays into turkey, looking for noahs ark on the mythical mount "ararat".. plimer says of these "arkeologists":.
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hooberus
Abaddon, I'll try to come up with something either from a web-site or, from an at least semi-technical encyclopedia relatively shortly. Thanks
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ARK eologists
by refiners fire inhere in australia a war has been going on for years in the media and in the courts.. the combatants:.
professor ian plimer, professor of geology at melbourne university.. and the "creation science foundation" run by a. a. snelling and carl wieland.. these men have sued and brawled with each other for years.. plimer wrote a book, a few years ago called.
"telling lies for god", a large portion of which discussed, and debunked, the possibility of noahs ark having been a literal boat.. still, what plimer calls "arkeologists"stage regular forays into turkey, looking for noahs ark on the mythical mount "ararat".. plimer says of these "arkeologists":.
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hooberus
Farkel your argument would be an excellent argument, if flood geologists actually believed that the mountains were at their current height during the flood. However, creationists and flood geologists do not believe that! Instead they believe that during the later stages of the flood, the mountains rose and the ocean valleys were depressed.
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Am I an "apostate"?
by 4christ ini was wondering if i am considered one by the wt defintion.
i have never been a jw in my life but i disagree with their doctrine.
are all the "worldies" considered "apostates" or just the ex jws?
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hooberus
The Watchtower mis defines apostacy as leaving a religious organization. True apostates are those who leave God and Christ, not those who leave a particular religious organization. After all Charles Taze Russell left the Prespterian Church, then he joined and left the Congretational Church, and then he Joined and left the Second-Adventist movement. Which according to the current watchtower definition of apostacy would make him a 3 time apostate!