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  Experience in a talk

  by Da.Furious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last week we had an elder giving a talk, cant remember the title.. the thing that was of interest is the experience he gave:.

  "a brother who was working in a hospital had to leave his job which was paying him good money because the nurses wanted to sleep with him and they kept putting notes for him on his desk!".

  this is not the first time i hear similar experience.

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  @ Slidin Fast: I anticipated such comment when i wrote it. Marriage is about trust i think!

  @ Chaserious: Thats what the TV shows. Do you believe what you see on TV?
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  Experience in a talk

  by Da.Furious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last week we had an elder giving a talk, cant remember the title.. the thing that was of interest is the experience he gave:.

  "a brother who was working in a hospital had to leave his job which was paying him good money because the nurses wanted to sleep with him and they kept putting notes for him on his desk!".

  this is not the first time i hear similar experience.

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  Last week we had an elder giving a talk, cant remember the title.

  The thing that was of interest is the experience he gave:

  "A brother who was working in a hospital had to leave his job which was paying him good money because the nurses wanted to sleep with him and they kept putting notes for him on his desk!"

  This is not the first time i hear similar experience. A brother or sister at work had their colleagues (at least of them) wanting to have sex with them.

  In what world do these people live. I have worked for several years in a "Worldly (tm)" job, and not a window cleaner and never had any work mate female or male approach me to have sex with me.

  I might be an ugly person, what about my wife. She is nice looking, and never had any of her managers wanting to have sex with her!
  

  I have heard JWs fucking each other more than than i have heard there was relations between work colleagues.

  When would the WT stop giving false experiences or unrealistic ones.

  These days if a person gives a wrong look at work, you will sitting in a disciplinary HR meeting risking your job!
  

  
  
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  The Judicial Committee is a Circle of Elders in a Room?

  by Shanagirl in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has this ever happened to anyone who has been df'd here?

  did you walk into a room with a circle of chairs for the whole body of elders?.

  shana.

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  In my experience, had couple JCs, there was not specific setting and it was always 3 elders with notes.

  As long as you know how the system works, you can 80% of times get out of it with just either public reprove or few months of restrictions.

  Or throw the whole case out of the window due to insufficient or contradicting evidence and the person reporting you gets in trouble!
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  Illegal immigrants in the organization?

  by silent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had a thought today that might prove interesting.

  i'm wondering if there are any illegal immigrants who are witnesses?

  surely it would be a great position to be in as an illegal immigrant because you could play up your plight and prey on the sympathies of others within the congregation.

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  @Blondie. As usual very good research and answers to the point!

  I was looking for such reference myself since a similar situation rose in our congregation.

  A person who was studying abroad and decided to visit the uk on a student visa (later on it appeared the intention is to stay) continued their study and then got peptised and shortly applied for regular auxiliary pioneer and got it.

  To add in insult to injury, the person openly says "I spent all my time in ministry and dont go to college".

  This person should be studying in the college not going fulltime in the ministry.

  They are breaking the law and several grounds and they get privileges in the congregation.

  Double standards? I think No standards!

  Da Furious
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  so, what ARE society 'approved' jobs anyway?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  obviously they feel a window washer job is a job anyone can do anywhere in he world .

  and makes great money, yea right.. so what are all those 'approved jobs?'.

  add to the list of any and all building skills, cleaning type jobs.

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  @blondie very true. I also moved congregations and countries and the difference between each is shocking.

  The most annoying bit is same country different congregation and the BOE have their own rules!
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  so, what ARE society 'approved' jobs anyway?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  obviously they feel a window washer job is a job anyone can do anywhere in he world .

  and makes great money, yea right.. so what are all those 'approved jobs?'.

  add to the list of any and all building skills, cleaning type jobs.

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  I would say all shift work is disapproved! I know of an elder who had to give up his position due to shift work.

  Everything mentioned in addition to these pyramid schemes (Herbalife, Avon, etc...)
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  Children calling jw adults uncle and auntie, when did that start?

  by awakening in

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  2. friends

  i cant figure out when the auntie and uncle thing started or why.

  it sure is a peadophiles dream to have a kid they dont know call them uncle!

  they are now in a special relationship.

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  It is a cultural thing as others have pointed.

  In my native tongue we have a special word to address people who are the age of our parents. But there is no translation to this in English so the alternative is Uncle/Auntie. This is done just out of respect and not using the persons first name.

  This is done inside and outside of the congregation and it is not something tied to JWs only.
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  Where do JWs get their Apathy Trolley/Cart?

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i can't imagine for one second that the wbt$ supply the apathy trollies they'll make the r&f pay for them.

  or does the wbt$ supply the apathy trolley and charge over the odds for them?.

  so...........do jws construct them?.

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  Before WT supplied them there was a brother in France or Spain providing them for around €100. I think this was the case for a year or so. Then suddenly congregations received a letter asking them to stop ordering them privately and the trolleys are now part of the literature order but the congregation has to pay for them separately.

  As phizzy mentioned the cost a congregation has to pay in that range. The cost involves the cost of making the cart and shipping.
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  Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.

  if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.

  and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.

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  This scenario is based on JW family - non JW family will behave differently, i.e. call police immediately.

  One minor reports an abuse to his parents, first thing the parents will do is call an elder who is friend of the family and explain the situation. That elder will then discuss with another elder and ask the parents and the child to relate in details what happened.

  After their discussion the elders will contact Bethel Legal department and ask for guidance. At this point they have instructed the family not to contact the police until further instruction from bethel.

  What bethel decides, i have no idea what the process they follow. But i assume they ask to make sure that the child is not making it up. Maybe they advise the elders to ask for specifics, or even talk to the abuser and check with him if this is true or even worse put all in one room to confront each other!

  If the child insists and the abuser refutes the claims, god knows how you solve this with professionals!

  The aim of this is to keep the peace and harmony within the congregation.

  The things they are not taking into account is that the child needs support not interrogation. Moreover, the above scenario exposes the child to confront the abuser which may cause more harm emotionally. Trust is broken and the child has to bear the consequences from his family.

  In the second scenario abuser has 2 victims they come forward, they get interrogated by the elders, possibly confront the abuser, legal department contacted and they give their approval to DF the abuser.

  Abuser gets DF'd and parents are informed if you want to contact the police you are free to do so!

  Both scenarios are true but the whole process is wrong, one witness 2 witness or no witness. Child abuse should be dealt by police and specialists not congregation elders who barely can sort issues within their own families.
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  Consider the "outcome" when elders apply the two-witness "rule"

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule is applied by elders when a witness member accuses another member of a sin, even if that sin is a criminal act.

  if there arent two witnesses to the accusation, it goes nowhere, including not being reported to the authorities.

  and in the case of an allegation of child abuse, the accused is free to molest again.. watchtower attorney, jim mccabe, recently stated this about jehovahs witnesses two-witness rule which he described as a bible-based belief :.

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  My comment on this topic, this was posted on another thread today:

  i also checked with couple of prominent elders about the issue and they confirmed to me that since 2013/2014 the 2 witness rule is no more required for a minor reporting the abuse.

  BUT, and this is a big BUT, if it was one minor reporting it there would be an issue verifying it and credibility in addition of making sure the minor is not making it up. Not sure what the situation would be, since they told me it would very tricky since such accusation can ruin individuals or families if they were untrue. But if there were 2 or more abused, on different occasions, then each one of them is considered a witness.

  So i think whoever needs to verify, needs to ask the precise question (the 1 million dollar question), what if the abuse was reported by one child, how do you deal with this!