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ARMAGEDDON IN 1975 - TIMELINE OF QUOTES

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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1975 - 6000 end of 6th 1,000-year day of man's existence (in early autumn).. .

october 8th 1966 pages 19-20 *** [not available on watchtower's official cd-rom].

4:1-11) hence, the fact that we are nearing the end of the first 6,000 years of man's existence is of great significance.. in what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of god's rest day come to an end?

greven

Hi Undisfellowshipped,

thanx for the extensive list. some were new to me.

I especially like this one:

*** Awake! March 22nd 1993 Issue Pages 3-4 Why So Many False Alarms? ***

Gregory I, pope from 590 to 604 C.E., in a letter to a European monarch, said: "We also wish Your Majesty to know, as we have learned from the words of Almighty God in Holy Scriptures, that the end of the present world is already near and that the unending Kingdom of the Saints is approaching."

In the 16th century, Martin Luther, progenitor of the Lutheran Church, predicted that the end was imminent. According to one authority, he stated: "For my part, I am sure that the day of judgment is just around the corner."

"Edwin Sandys (1519-1588), Archbishop of York and Primate of England... says, ... 'Let us be assured that this coming of the Lord is near.'"

William Miller, generally credited with founding the Adventist Church, is quoted as saying: "I am fully convinced that sometime between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844, according to the Jewish mode of computation of time, Christ will come."

this shows simular language like the society used. however the excuse that they were not claiming to be a profet is false. talking about crying wolf! wolf!

this surely is one of their most self damning articles.

greven.

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BLOOD Transfusion CHANGES

by UnDisfellowshipped in

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the golden age november 13th 1929 issue, pages 106, 107:.

the golden age march 27th 1935 issue, page 409:.

the golden age september 23rd 1936 issue, page 816:.

greven

OMG!!!

I am bleeding to death please hand me the most recent WT so I can see what God`s law is this week!!

SJEEZ.

greven.

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Tell us about your Profile Pic

by Beck_Melbourne in

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just wondering about some of the profile pics...i think its nice to know a bit about the person you want us see, or the person you don't want us to see.

so what were you thinking when the pic was taken, how long ago, and where were you?

mine was taken last month, just after my 36th birthday.

greven

Mine is from a computer game called 'Star Craft' . it represent a 'Ghost' which is something of an assassin commando guy. love to play that game I selected the pic because it looks like a borg and as a am still officially JW I thought it appropriate. I might replace it when I have DA`ed myself. (check my bio for more info).

greven.

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PLEASE READ

by IMA_PALLED in

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before my dad went into surgery he asked that i contact the people on this board and let them know how much it ment to him much it ment to him over the past month or so to be able to talk with all of you.. this is one of the few things in his life he could still enjoy.dad wanted to especially thank craig (ona ) for accepting him and apologies for anything he said that might have offended you.. my father was in so much pain over the past seven years ,god must have thought it was time,dad passed a few houres after surgery.. dad asked not to have a service and will be cremated than placed in an urn ( as he said "so he can keep an eye on mom" ) we all loved him deeply and he will be missed.

i will leave the company email should anyone want to,i will print them out for mom and the family to read.. again thanks to all, our love is with each and every one of you.. matthew mc cune [email protected]

greven

My sincere condolences to you and the rest of the family!

greven

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Near Death experiences- the scoop by CNN

by kelsey007 in

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ap) --

a study suggests the oft-reported sensation of leaving the body during a brush with death may have a simple explanation in the body itself.. these "out-of-body" and "near-death" experiences -- in which people resuscitated on the operating table speak of being drawn toward a brilliant light, or looking down on their own bodies -- may be influenced by a portion of the brain misfiring under stress, the study suggests.

the paper describes one patient's visions while she was being evaluated for epilepsy and does not wrestle with issues of the soul.

greven

Hi,

"Last December, the British medical journal Lancet published a Dutch study in which 344 cardiac patients were resuscitated from clinical death. About 12 percent reported seeing light at the end of a tunnel, or speaking to dead relatives. "

I know of simular studies with grown-up as well as children being resuscitated from clinical death and telling about the other side of the tunnel. interesting was that the mature people were telling about talking to dead relatives while the children also told about fantasy figures like pikachu being in heaven. this suggests near-death experiences are visions from the brain instead of paranormal experiences -unless you believe pikachu lives in heaven ofcourse-

interesting post!

greven.

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Assembly picketing

by freedom96 in

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when i went to the assemblies, i would see people picketing, holding signs up, etc.

you would have "security" to look out for green bibles, and keep opostates out.. i never looked at them with hatred, never really gave it much thought at all.. i am curious if anyone here has participated in protesting the assemblies, and what were the reactions?

greven

I agree With David_10.

People outside with signs and flyers will only give a weird impression of apostates. No, let them find out for themselves. Now with internet if they really have doubts or questions they will take up enough courage and find the sites eventually. This is how I freed myself from the borg. Having doubts, questions, disagreeing with a lot of stuff and a curiosity what apostates really were like. as soon as I had access to the net the first thing typed into the search engine was 'JW`s' . when you get warned over and over at the cong and assemblies NOT to visit apostate sites i cannot think of anybody who does not try to do so. (who can resist a big red flashing button with a neon sign hovering above it saying 'DO NOT TOUCH' ?) A couple of weeks ago some freek Sis actually warned others not to search with the words Jehovah or JW`s for this would only lead you to apostates. the more the society demonizes the internet the more curious the R&F will become. The Motto: "Give them enough rope and they will eventually hang themselves" .

Greven.

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Elder LIES to Downey, California Reporter

by Brymichmom in

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dungbeetle and brymichmom delivered a stuffed lamb to the downey, ca kingdom hall at 12116 woodruff avenue today.

present were a reporter and a photographer from the downey patriot newspaper.

while we were placing the lamb at the front door, an elder approached us and asked us why we were there.

greven

AWSOME!!

LET THEM CHOKE IN THEIR OWN VOMIT!!!

LOL.

greven.

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Identufying Isolated Scriptures

by carol hall in

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i had some jehovah witness people comming to my door.. one day they ask me if i would like to have a bible study.. just curious at what they would.. i said yes as long as we stay in the bible.

they said ok.. i found out they could`nt teach from the bible without their helps.. one day one of them said oh!!

carol we have identified another scripture.

greven

wolfgirl,

I think most witnesses feel that way about the reasoning book. funny thing is that is does not learn you how to reason but provides answers and scriptures that often are completely unrelated to the subject. for example: about birthdays it points to a scripture where jezus commands his diciples to repeat the ceremopny at pentecost. but the fact that you should celebrate that does not mean you are prohibited to celebrate birthdays. and how about this one: imaging someone says "but the bible is inconsistent". The JW flips through the reasoning book and somewhere under 'bible' finds this answer: "nobody has ever shown me one" LOL do you need a book to tell you this?! It also is a good oppertunity for the householder to show the JW some! Ridiculous!

Greven

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Secrets of JW Elder Power

by Amazing in

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several days ago i posted a topic about how the newly reinstated could be disfellowshipped again for failing to attend meetings or particiapte in field service.

(this was based on the issue of lacking works that befit repentance.

) i used cautionary language about how this ""can"" happen, but was accused of making "dogmatic assertions" and that the organization book and the flock book never authorize such, and most of all the s-77 form sent into the society would trigger a co visit were it to state such things.

greven

Amazing,

Thanx for this overview. excellent post again Amazing! I think it is very handy to know how the system exactly works. When conflicts rise the avarage JW can only use the written material. the society can easely put the blame on an individual elder when there is wrong conduct. very tricky system. your example of the Maffia is not far fetched. But I do think it can also work against the society, especially in the legal side of conflicts for example people getting DF`ed for reasons not stated on paper. lawyers love those. Any thoughts on how to use this system against them?

Greven.

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swords in heaven

by peacefulpete in

genesis says that cherubs guarded the way to eden with a spinning sword.yet this is long before tubal-cain first invented forging of iron.

(according to the bible)does this mean jehovah invented swords and was the first to use them for violence?

comments welcome.

greven

I have been wandering the same thing.

I think it shows that the writer of genesis slipped up putting something from his time ( a tool of war) in a time when there were no swords. IF genesis were true then God would have invented a tool of war even before the first murder occurred on earth!!

That is like saying god drove a BMW in paradise in stead of walking.and adam wearing a watch.

these things sometimes happen in movies like westerns, actors forgetting jerry-cans, watches etc.

greven.