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  Old Light, New Light 1, 2, 3

  by RR in

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  you know, the society sure could use some advice from c.t.

  russell.. "if we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now: but with god there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning., and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from god must be like its author.

  a new view of truth never can contradict a former truth.

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  greven

  thanx for the quote! finally the entire quote not just one or two lines.

  I agree that the way the started was honest, but corrupted pretty soon after. Russell was indeed not the founder of the JW`s , if you compare what the bible students thaught and what the jw`s teach now you see that it is Rutherford not Russell.

  greven.

  "Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
  -from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
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  Dissociated family excluded from funeral services

  by Pardus in

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  apparently, disassociated relatives are not allowed to be in the procession lines at kingdom hall services.

  they can attend but they cannot be with their relatives to receive condolenses.

  this happened recently to someone whose aunt had passed away.

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  greven

  it is the official policy!!! there was an article in the WT of june or juli questions of "readers" and that said pretty much the same.

  they are gonna be more mainstream? don`t make me laugh!!!!

  gggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

  greven

  "Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
  -from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
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  Zealous Kingdom Proclaimers Conevtion Program

  by D wiltshire in

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  1220 song 31 and intermission .

  205 song 92.

  205 song 158.

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  greven

  obviously there excists a lack of Zeal in the ranks. I wonder why...hmm right!

  greven.

  "Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
  -from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
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  New to the board

  by PointBlank in

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  i've been lurking for a few days, trying to get a feel for the board.

  h2o used to be my regular hangout.

  boy, has that place changed.

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  greven

  welcome aboard!!

  this place is a great resource as well as a nice hang-out.

  enjoy!

  greven.

  "Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
  -from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
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  WT Paranoia Over Apostates

  by DakotaRed in

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  while reading another thread on apostates, i did a quick search on the word apostate on the wt cd.

  these people are really paranoid about us!.

  *** it-1 127 apostasy ***.

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  greven

  nice thread DR!

  what strikes me as odd is the fact that they call apostate material lies and half-truths but discourage investigating it. every lie can be easely proved wrong by giving the facts. instead they hush it up.
  and they discourage free, independant thinking. this was the first thing that started me having "dangerous doubts" as I know as student at a university that true investigation and research is not possible without free thinking. if you have the truth you should not fear criticism but encourage it as it will strenthen your point.
  only true propagandists shun criticisme.

  greetz,

  greven

  "Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
  -from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
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  First Post

  by Decimus in

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  hi everyone.while i have lurked on this board for some time this is my very first post.

  the main reason for my reluctance to post has been the fact that my job keeps me pretty busy - however i have enjoyed the board so much i felt i would love to be a more tangible presence and have decided to take the plunge.

  i will give more details of my background later.

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  greven

  WELCOME ABOARD!!!

  "Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
  -from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
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  Science News!

  by Nathan Natas in

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  scientist splits atom, finds toy prize inside .

  promise of hidden surprises has propelled fission research for decades .

  princeton, n.j. (satirewire.com) a princeton physicist recently split an atom of hydrogen and found a toy prize inside, the journal science reported in its june issue.

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  greven

  LOL!!!

  "Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
  -from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
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  Make up a word for how you felt Sats 3:42 at DAs

  by joelbear in

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  make up a word for how you felt saturday afternoons at 3:42 during district assemblies.

  mine is.

  aggsniffilated.

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  greven

  mental constipation.

  greven.

  "Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
  -from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
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  WT 4-01-02 article

  by DB in

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  in the april 1, 2002 issue of the watchtower, an article appears entitled "keep on serving jehovah with a steadfast heart".

  paragraph 14 of this article states: "if jehovah's organization knowingly endorsed false teachings, advice to read the bible would never be given to jehovah's witnesses and those to whom they preach.".

  i am withholding comment on this statement, because i'd like to hear from any who would like to post a response.

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  greven

  they DO dicourage bible reading: independantly.

  independant from what or who? holy spirit? god?
  no! the WTBS!

  "Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
  -from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-
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  The collapse of the WBTS? - I don't think so.

  by dmouse in

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  do we apostates fall into the same trap as jehovahs witnesses when it comes to blinding ourselves to the truth?.

  how often have i confronted jws with overwhelming evidence that the so called signs of the times are simply not being fulfilled in our day only for them to bring up some barely relevant snippet of information, which, to them, shoots my argument down in flames?

  it is incredible how jws can ignore the camel of evidence that contradicts what they believe and then exult over the gnat of evidence that supports their view.

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  greven

  I fully agree Dmouse!!

  but one can always hope. internet will be a tough nut to crack as even in primary school kids are introduced to the net and learn that it is a great research tool and not a pool of misery.

  greven

  "Fear is strange soil. Mainly it grows obedience like corn, which grows in rows and makes weeding easy. But sometimes it grows the potatoes of defiance, which flourish underground."
  -from "Small Gods" by Terry Pratchett-