Posts by winnower

i heard last night, when i was watching tv, that some archaeologists in egypt discovered a ancient papyrus, with one on the original copies of revelation written on it, and i think most people have heard of the mark of the wild beast which revelation talks about, and the bible says it is 666, and this is the number which jehovahs witnesses and every other church around the earth has teached for thousands of years, but then the archaeologists translated the papyrus, they found that it said the mark of the wild beast it 616, and not 666.you might think it is not that big of a deal but if you think that jehovahs witnesses say that they are the one true religion and that jehovah talks to the faithful and discrete salve, so you would think that they would have said that it was 616, but it has not come out from them, also they mention a lot of the names in the bible which people say did not exist, and then when archaeologists find items with them on the make a big fuss about it, but i dont think this is something they will make a fuss about, think they will let it pass other them and not mention it.

winnower

Population Clocks

U.S. 304,034,996 World 6,666,352,795

15:51 GMT (EST+5) May 08, 2008

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On the sound use of mental suicide.

by Narkissos in

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friends

this topic is meant as a follow-up of my recent conversation with r. crusoe on different threads.. it seems to me that the current popularisation of eckhart tolle's philosophy, resurrecting what i think is the very core of age-old mystical traditions (to put it shortly: death of the culturally constructed "self"), without the collective mythological, institutional and social settings for such an experience, is potentially very liberating but also very dangerous.. i am sensitive to that because i went through a similar experience when i left jws -- i felt both its empowering and destructive force, and, although i certainly don't claim to have dealt with it optimally (is that an adverb?

), i'm hoping that experience, good or bad, may benefit others, to an extent.

and i'm sure that i'm not alone in that case.. so i'd like this thread to be primarily supportive, even though that may include some theoretical and practical criticism.. .

winnower

Zensim says:

I cannot claim clarity, yet I can be clarity.

I say:

Babble-on, babble-on, babyl-on.

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On the sound use of mental suicide.

by Narkissos in

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friends

this topic is meant as a follow-up of my recent conversation with r. crusoe on different threads.. it seems to me that the current popularisation of eckhart tolle's philosophy, resurrecting what i think is the very core of age-old mystical traditions (to put it shortly: death of the culturally constructed "self"), without the collective mythological, institutional and social settings for such an experience, is potentially very liberating but also very dangerous.. i am sensitive to that because i went through a similar experience when i left jws -- i felt both its empowering and destructive force, and, although i certainly don't claim to have dealt with it optimally (is that an adverb?

), i'm hoping that experience, good or bad, may benefit others, to an extent.

and i'm sure that i'm not alone in that case.. so i'd like this thread to be primarily supportive, even though that may include some theoretical and practical criticism.. .

winnower

The Oneness Movement (OM) is very much like the bOrg. Right down to the elder princes. Many "teachers" imply that they have higher consciousness that you can never attain. More arrogance, pride, and lies. It is all a trap for the ignorant.

Again, it is authoratitive in nature and lends itself well to those who have been indoctrinated in a totalitarian society (like WBTS). You follow without thinking and grant your unconditional support.

It is an illusion to think that this form of meditation can enlighten the whole world, end world hunger, and eliminate all political conflict. Yet, these are the bold promises they make.

Hopefully, you will all have learned from your mistakes being sucked into WBTS and will be able to recognize the manipulations, exaggerations, more class distinctions, and the outright lies. Hopefully, you will have educated yourself to know that repetition and ritual can be powerful catalysts for changes in consciousness and brain wave patterns.

The oneness movement is dangerous in all its forms. It's WBTS all over again....just with an "Eastern" flavor.

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Does the gov. bod. have expert independant advisors?

by edmond dantes in

do the brooklyn boys have outside help when it comes to making changes within the borg?

i'm thinking in terms of man management advisors or public relations experts etc.

or do they just make all the cock ups on their own ?

winnower

The GB are all "Useful Idiots".

They are controlled by the "entity behind the curtain" as are all of the other religions and brotherhood organizations.

Double Cult

by winnower in

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a mormon mason: new grand master is the first in a century who is lds .

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695265549,00.html.

winnower

A Mormon Mason: New grand master is the first in a century who is LDS

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695265549,00.html

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Bethel Boys: What's the Deal with Nethinim?

by MissingLink in

my wife was asking me about the nethinim class at bethel.

i had never heard of this before.

she said they were like helpers for the gb.. for anyone who served at bethel, or knows about it - can you explain this to me?

winnower

Nethinim "one given to temple service" . These temple servants originated from Canaan.

Ezra 2: 55 The descendants of Solomon's servants (O) [included]:
Sotai's descendants, Hassophereth's descendants,
Peruda's descendants, 56 Jaalah's descendants,
Darkon's descendants, Giddel's descendants,

57 Shephatiah's descendants, Hattil's descendants,
Pochereth&nbhyph;hazzebaim's descendants, and Ami's descendants.

58 All the temple servants
and the descendants of Solomon's servants

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59 The following are those who came from Tel-melah, Tel-harsha, Cherub, Addan, and Immer but were unable to prove that their families and ancestry were Israelite:

The slaves of Solomon came out of Babylon and the offspring of Solomon's slaves have been referred to as the nethinim. It is believed that these are of the genetic line of Nephilim. These slaves gained access to the temples and later to the sacred writings. Much of the bible scriptures have been changed because of this. It was rather like having the fox in the hen house. And this fox has been applying his craft -(iness) for centuries.

This god of the bible who demands blood sacrifice is none other than the current ruler of this world. This is NOT our creator. This is not the Father who sent his son.

Jesus said his sheep would know his voice. This is all we can depend on now. The sacred scrolls have been tampered from long ago.

If the name Zerubbabel is Hebrew, it may be a contraction of Z?rua‘ Bavel ( Hebrew: ??????? ?????? ?), meaning "the one sown of Babylon", and referring to a child conceived and born in Babylon; or perhaps even, Z?rûy Bavel ( Hebrew: ?????? ?????? ?), meaning, "the winnowed of Babylon", in the sense of being exiled in Babylon. If the name is not Hebrew but Assyrian-Babylonian, it may contract, Z?ru Babel, meaning, "Seed of Babylon", the one conceived in Babylon. (Contrast the related Hebrew form for "Seed": Hebrew: ????? ?, Zera‘.)

Zerubbabel Lodge #15 F.&A.M.
341 Bull Street, Savannah, Georgia

http://www.zerubbabel15.com/

So, what is the importance of this connection of these nethinim to Babylon and to the present day?

Why are the "last days" compared to the days of Noah and not some other time in history?

Could it be because the nephilim will be revealed again?

The illumaniti bloodlines are the Nephilim descendants. They have kept their bloodlines pure.

The Nephilim are the powerhouse behind the many various "Brotherhood" organizations.

These organizations include all groups belonging to Freemasonry and all religions.

So what is this connection to Babylon?

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What will go next?

by Gill in

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friends

so, it is the end of the home book study meeting.

hoorah!

i hear those of you who still have to 'go' shout!.

winnower

Integ said:

I think disfellowshipping will go next, but I know that the wts will continue to thrive and flourish. They are merely getting smarter; more mainstream. They will actually GROW because of the changes they are making. More appealing to the masses and therefore more growth. More Kingdom Halls, etc. I think the Df'ing will end soon and be even MORE attractive to potential converts. And it will bring in a ton of "new ones" who were old ones who now can come back and keep the Halls packed. They're not 'ending' anything. They are getting SMARTER and have no intention of folding up their tents. It doesn't make any sense that they would do that. It makes more sense they are actually just going to adjust things and get even bigger and bigger, My reply: .... now you assume the Society is crumbling. In the next few months you will see the society's stronghold on your loved ones become stronger than it has ever been. These are the subtle "jot and tittle" changes. Of course, the wording given to the cong will be so subtle it will seem as though it has "always meant this". 1. Disfellowshipping in the congregation is similar to excommunication practiced in all religions. The chuch never kicks anyone out; the person has kicked themselves out by not abiding doctrine. The church has merely made an announcement that the person is errant and not to be followed. The ultimate goal of shunning is meant to restore one to fellowship and to cease their error. When a repentant attitude is shown, the elders can hope for bringing the offender back into a right understanding of the scripture. The person is still a Jehovah's Witness as baptism cannot be "undone". http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/157356/1.ashx Baptism is considered as your "sealing". Once baptised a JW you will always be a JW; however you can fall from grace and loose your "reservation" in the paradise. WTS will become more mainstream by pointing out the similarities of their doctrines with that of "christendom". Changes in "christendom" (doing away with icons and holidays) will help fall in line with WTS teachings. Eventually, all religions will be able to "meet in the middle" to form the one world religion. This is an important change that this be emphasized. Because they will begin to refer to Baptism as a "sealing" this word will later become interchangable with the work "marking". When the digital chip becomes the order of the day (although it will be a voluntary thing) you will be told that this is NOT the mark of the beast and it actually means nothing. This will be a lie. You will be told that you have "already been marked" by your sealing of baptism. I have explained this in better detail on another post.