In theology, salvation can mean three related things:* being saved from something, such as suffering or the punishment of sin - also called deliverance;* being saved for something, such as an afterlife or participating in the Reign of God - also called redemption;* being saved through a process ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvation
hamilcarr
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Is This a Universal Characteristic of Religion?
by hamilcarr inthanks to all who participated in the moral values discussion, i think it was a 'high'-quality (wink at zico --- from 'the highest year') debate.
some posters rightly claimed i was too rash in my generalisations of religion and atheism.
so, i kept on searching for the universal characteristics of religion, i mean those features common to all forms of worship.
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hamilcarr
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Is This a Universal Characteristic of Religion?
by hamilcarr inthanks to all who participated in the moral values discussion, i think it was a 'high'-quality (wink at zico --- from 'the highest year') debate.
some posters rightly claimed i was too rash in my generalisations of religion and atheism.
so, i kept on searching for the universal characteristics of religion, i mean those features common to all forms of worship.
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hamilcarr
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana
Nibbana is a word used by the Buddha to describe the perfect peace of the mind that is free from craving, anger and other afflictive states (kilesa). This peace, which is in reality the fundamental nature of the mind, is revealed when the root causes of the afflictive states are dissolved. The causes themselves (see sankhara) lie deep within the mind (that part of the mind that Western psychology calls the unconscious) but their undoing is gradually achieved by living a disciplined life (see eightfold path). In Nibbana the root causes of craving and aversion have been extinguished such that one is no longer subject to human suffering (dukkha) or further states of rebirths in samsara.
Reads like a good definition of salvation ...
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Is This a Universal Characteristic of Religion?
by hamilcarr inthanks to all who participated in the moral values discussion, i think it was a 'high'-quality (wink at zico --- from 'the highest year') debate.
some posters rightly claimed i was too rash in my generalisations of religion and atheism.
so, i kept on searching for the universal characteristics of religion, i mean those features common to all forms of worship.
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hamilcarr
I'm glad you take Buddhism as an example. One of the key premises of Buddhism is that life is suffering and that we need salvation, which cannot be reached during a normal earthly life.
Are there any religions that don't proclaim something similar?
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Is This a Universal Characteristic of Religion?
by hamilcarr inthanks to all who participated in the moral values discussion, i think it was a 'high'-quality (wink at zico --- from 'the highest year') debate.
some posters rightly claimed i was too rash in my generalisations of religion and atheism.
so, i kept on searching for the universal characteristics of religion, i mean those features common to all forms of worship.
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hamilcarr
I see what you mean, Void. These are all non-religious forms of salvation, I don't wonna start a linguistic discussion but I think these are examples of relief rather than salvation, which I consider a more solemn concept.
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Is This a Universal Characteristic of Religion?
by hamilcarr inthanks to all who participated in the moral values discussion, i think it was a 'high'-quality (wink at zico --- from 'the highest year') debate.
some posters rightly claimed i was too rash in my generalisations of religion and atheism.
so, i kept on searching for the universal characteristics of religion, i mean those features common to all forms of worship.
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hamilcarr
Thanks to all who participated in the moral values discussion, I think it was a 'high'-quality (wink at Zico --- from 'the highest year') debate. Some posters rightly claimed I was too rash in my generalisations of religion and atheism. So, I kept on searching for the universal characteristics of religion, I mean those features common to all forms of worship. I'll try this one: the belief that human existence is full of suffering and therefore human beings are in need of salvation. I want to stress this is only an hypothesis which needs to be tested and criticized, it's not at all an observation.
I could put it this way as well:
are there any atheists who believe mankind is in need of salvation and if so why don't you believe?
are there any believers who don't believe this and if so why do you believe?
Your comments and critical notes are more than welcome...
Regards,
H.
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Moral Values of an Atheist
by hamilcarr insome thoughts spinning through my head .... what does it mean to be an atheist?
it means you cannot imagine your homosexual neighbor being slaughtered by a loving god at judgment's day, it means you don't consider the primitive tribe described in numbers 31 that slew midianite men and raped innocent virgins to be god's first covenant people, it means you don't believe mankind is so perverted that it is in need of salvation through a man who came 'not with peace, but with a sword', it means you have high moral values that apply not only to the members of your denomination but to all men.. h. .
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hamilcarr
I don't know what else I can add to the thread
You're right, this thread is getting too long ...
and look forward to future discussions?
That's a deal!
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Theocratic Party
by Aleman intoday we have political parties from the republic and democratic sides trying to get your vote so they can get the presidency.
but, can you really trust them?
how secure are you to have a man or woman lead us to a secure and peaceful future?
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hamilcarr
Truth be told, this generation is cursed with low moral and no respect to life. We live in a society of to much freedom, free to marry same sex partners, free to kill unborn babies, free to damb anyone and anything without knowing what it is your saying. Man has cause to be free of guilt on morality and respectful issues. This generation is mud because it is alot of wet dirt that their minds are in. In a diffrent time of age, fifi would have been dead due to blasphomy. But no body cares because we live in a society that allows this kind of behavior. No body respects anything anymore.
I friendly invite you to visit a thread I started some days ago entitled 'Are We Living in Critical Times?'
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/152987/1.ashx
If you choose not to listen to this inconvenient truth as some other posters with similar arguments, you may want to consider these texts:
Judge not, that ye be not judged - Matthew 7:1
Ye shall know them by their fruits - Matthew 7:16
The video link embedded in the thread gives a well-founded view on the 'fruits' of our age.
Kind regards,
H.
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Moral Values of an Atheist
by hamilcarr insome thoughts spinning through my head .... what does it mean to be an atheist?
it means you cannot imagine your homosexual neighbor being slaughtered by a loving god at judgment's day, it means you don't consider the primitive tribe described in numbers 31 that slew midianite men and raped innocent virgins to be god's first covenant people, it means you don't believe mankind is so perverted that it is in need of salvation through a man who came 'not with peace, but with a sword', it means you have high moral values that apply not only to the members of your denomination but to all men.. h. .
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hamilcarr
Try Belgium.
I'm trying!
I was looking for more concrete instances, not a country, but a real idea.
I just discovered you are born in 1986 too :-)) Vintage year, isn't it?
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Moral Values of an Atheist
by hamilcarr insome thoughts spinning through my head .... what does it mean to be an atheist?
it means you cannot imagine your homosexual neighbor being slaughtered by a loving god at judgment's day, it means you don't consider the primitive tribe described in numbers 31 that slew midianite men and raped innocent virgins to be god's first covenant people, it means you don't believe mankind is so perverted that it is in need of salvation through a man who came 'not with peace, but with a sword', it means you have high moral values that apply not only to the members of your denomination but to all men.. h. .
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hamilcarr
Contrary to common sense, morality may not be the product of civilisation or culture, but civilisation may be the result of our biologically rooted morality.
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Moral Values of an Atheist
by hamilcarr insome thoughts spinning through my head .... what does it mean to be an atheist?
it means you cannot imagine your homosexual neighbor being slaughtered by a loving god at judgment's day, it means you don't consider the primitive tribe described in numbers 31 that slew midianite men and raped innocent virgins to be god's first covenant people, it means you don't believe mankind is so perverted that it is in need of salvation through a man who came 'not with peace, but with a sword', it means you have high moral values that apply not only to the members of your denomination but to all men.. h. .
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hamilcarr
According to Edward O. Wilson, founder of sociobiology, an ethical system that discredits its own natural and evolutionary source is structurally incomplete.