Mary
TD did make some interesting points, but they were hardly exhaustive, however, he did put forward a researched and considered opinion. I don’t think I have lost the bet just yet.
And yes I was a little tongue in cheek with the GB comment, you should have know that!
TD
Blood transfusions are a Victorian technology, actually even older , I think the early attempts were the 15 or 16 century, it wasn’t until the 30’s that they worked out that it could be separated, so my statement is true and accurate.
You said “The new generation of oxygen carrying blood substitutes primarily duplicates the function of red cells”.
At this point there are no oxygen carrying blood substitutes that aren’t derived from bovine or human hemoglobin, I know there was some trials with Perfluorocarbon some years back but I don’t think it has been approved.
You said “ Witness CHILDREN have died from injuries as mundane as a breaking a leg when they fell off a skateboard”. Plural? More than one? I doubt this but welcome proof of such a statement. It seems highly improbable. The rest of your points are true.
Mcsemike
I know the facts , don’t be presumptuous. The fact that you want anyone to have a painful death is a bit scary, time you left the board and booked into a shrink. Have a considered and intelligent position by all means, but to say that is just disappointing and bigoted.
sooner7nc
leave sarcasm to the aussies and Scottish, Americans just don’t get it. And your internet threat is just stupid, why do people do internet threats? So ridiculous. You can shove your stupid tyre kicking comments up YOUR rear.
Rabbit.
As if I am going to think of this thread if I am facing death….oh please. That is just an awful, twisted thing to say.
I know the statistics per million etc but the reality is in America alone an average of 23 people per year contract HIV from blood transfusions, that’s not mentioning all of the other nasty things that can happen. I don’t care how you twist it, if you take blood, HIV is still a very real risk. I say educate the crowds and educate yourselves regardless of what the WTBTS say.
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New Aussie Blood card released last night= It will make you sick! Shocking!
by Witness 007 inmy wife was invited by her cousin to come back to the meeting on tuesday since she had not been to one for over a year.
the reason?
"there's going to be a special anouncement regarding blood for all publishers, you should come!!
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Evolutions billion dollar question!
by Blackboo inhow did emotions evolved???
*grinning* are emotions, thinking, and morals biological?
please answer this sincere question..i am actually being nice this time.
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jefferywhat
Emotions are just proteins blackboo, they evolve like everything else.
You haven't realy made a point yet, your personifying evolution which is a classic creationist flaw.
Evolution is a process, not a reason, it does not have a purpose.
Your body even now is evolving and mutating, if that mutation gives you an advantage, it will live on, if not, its gone.
Why do you think before large scaled travel humans in the far southern hemispheres were small and very dark and those in the far north were blonde and fair?
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New Aussie Blood card released last night= It will make you sick! Shocking!
by Witness 007 inmy wife was invited by her cousin to come back to the meeting on tuesday since she had not been to one for over a year.
the reason?
"there's going to be a special anouncement regarding blood for all publishers, you should come!!
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Incorrect PEC, Thats was a message to Penny 2 as I had reached a certain point of nirvana, this site helped me somewhat, however, it is a good place to debate and I enjoy that. I am not so simple as to enjoy stirring up S*%T as you put it.
And whole blood transfusions are down as is the use of blood to produce various proteins, most of the worlds EPO is now made from non blood products, of course this is entirely an economic decision but its happening.
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New Aussie Blood card released last night= It will make you sick! Shocking!
by Witness 007 inmy wife was invited by her cousin to come back to the meeting on tuesday since she had not been to one for over a year.
the reason?
"there's going to be a special anouncement regarding blood for all publishers, you should come!!
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Rabbit, I was not going to debate this subject on an emotional level as I am not qualified to, and Im not threatened by an alternative opinion. If the poster feels that strongly and has experienced something traumatic that has helped form that opinion what can one do other than empathize?
TD: Interesting post, how could I get my hands on those papers?
Momzcrazy: You said I missed the point. The thread is titled "New Aussie Blood card released last night= It will make you sick! Shock". I dont see the shock. I think medical research is influencing everyone including trained medical professionals. If you read my other posts on blood I have a religious point of view but I am not discussing that. I am putting forward a secular non JW apologist opinion.
Whole blood transfusions are on the way out.
One thing I want to comment on is the attitudes sometimes demonstrated on this site, In the threads above I am personally attacked for having an opinion that differs from others and twice have been told to go back under my rock.
Is a thread supposed to go like this.
Subject. Tomato sauce is the best
Poster 1. I like tomato sauce
Poster 2. Me too.
Poster 3. yeah I like it too.
Poster 4. I like BBQ sauce.
Poster 5. Your a looser poster 4
Poster 6. Yeah poster 4 you suck
Poster 7. yeah everybody lets hate poster 4 cause, well, they dont like tomato sauce like we do!!
Seriously I dont think the new card is "shocking", I dont think whole blood transfusions are great but I acknowledge I have never been confronted with a choice and yes I could change my mind under pressure or I could just change my mind.
There are loads of alternatives and I hope me or anyone on this forum is never in a position where they need a blood transfusion. -
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New Aussie Blood card released last night= It will make you sick! Shocking!
by Witness 007 inmy wife was invited by her cousin to come back to the meeting on tuesday since she had not been to one for over a year.
the reason?
"there's going to be a special anouncement regarding blood for all publishers, you should come!!
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witness 007
the governments view is this:
http://www.cec.health.nsw.gov.au/pdf/bloodwatch/bloodmyth3.pdf
http://www.cec.health.nsw.gov.au/pdf/bloodwatch/bloodmyth4.pdf
http://www.cec.health.nsw.gov.au/pdf/bloodwatch/bloodmyth2.pdf
http://www.cec.health.nsw.gov.au/pdf/bloodwatch/bloodmyth1.pdf
Lets face it chaps, blood transfusions are becoming a NON ISSUE!!
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New Aussie Blood card released last night= It will make you sick! Shocking!
by Witness 007 inmy wife was invited by her cousin to come back to the meeting on tuesday since she had not been to one for over a year.
the reason?
"there's going to be a special anouncement regarding blood for all publishers, you should come!!
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PEC, I did not come from under a rock my friend.
Im not going to comment on your loss because I dont know you and I havent experienced that pain.
But I am entitled to my opinion and position as are you.
I am simply putting forward the modern, government and secular view of transfusions, not the JW view -
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New Aussie Blood card released last night= It will make you sick! Shocking!
by Witness 007 inmy wife was invited by her cousin to come back to the meeting on tuesday since she had not been to one for over a year.
the reason?
"there's going to be a special anouncement regarding blood for all publishers, you should come!!
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jefferywhat
Hi all, especially penny, I know I said i was done here but.....I......just.....cant........st..op.......
Anyway, check out;
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21912123-23289,00.html
http://www.cec.health.nsw.gov.au/moreinfo/bloodmyths.html
I actually think that apart from storing your own blood, which I hope changes, we can do basically anything even take hemoglobin if we want, which is the delivery system of oxygen to the cells.
Government and surgeons are realizing that blood refusal is becoming common, its a technology from the 40's, how many people contracted aids prior to its discovery and screening?
I bet my 2.5 grams of red blood cells that more people have died from transfused diseases and adverse reactions than from refusal, and as the Australian government is realizing, its not the best option, especially now.
Why dont we hear as much condemnation against this travesty as we do about the poor old men in new York trying their best to keep us spiritually clean?
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Who is the other party? Or did you just hit a smaller plane?
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To all those who support Evolution EXPLAIN this....
by Blackboo inthink about this and close your eyes...think about what it is to have no existence for all existence..and nothing for all existence...notice how u cannot have both at the same time lol!
that is crazy!
that means if there was nothing for all existence..then it has to remain that way..and even if some particles or energy exploded to give life to earth and the planets..it still does not make sense to believe that a explosion can design humans or animals...thats just like saying i am gonna get a another house out of a explosion!
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Blackboo,
Dr What prescribes Clonidine.
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If you believe in Evolution then your a fool! God really is REAL!
by Blackboo inhere are some questions evolution never bring up or will evade questioning.
these are serious questions that kill all the silly beliefs about how the earth or universe got here..and here is why.
think about this for a second we would not be here if nothing for all existence did not exist.
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Ok Blackboo, now your sounding a bit weird.
Do you know what evolution is? Do you know how many different theories there are?
Do you understand how you evolve everyday by the constant mutation of your mitochondrial DNA?
You are correct in your statement "Evolution cannot answer what caused life", evolution is a process, not a beginning.
If you want to take a few steps back to say the big bang theory, the universe was formed by untold particles exploding, in time, due to physical laws, the universe formed.
Most people accept that, including witnesses, what they fail to realize is that that is a evolutionary process.
What scientists cant explain is where did matter come from and more importantly, how amino acids were formed.
When you start looking that deeply into the material world you realise maths and physics existed long before matter.
Where did those laws come from? Thats the question, the process? Who cares!
The evolution theory does not force GOD out of the picture.