Posts by yknot

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Does it matter whether you bought into it?

by tall penguin in

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in my time on the boards and my personal experience, it seems to me that those who really bought into what the org taught, in other words, tried to be a "good little jw", have a harder time when they discover it's all crap as compared to those who perhaps were "fringe" jw's or those who were living a "double life" or had doubts for a while.

he had been having doubts for a while and had been perusing jwd four years before he left.

he also had a more "normal" time as a teenager as he lived a "double life".

yknot

Yes I think it does. BRCI.org, who helps ex-JWs has this to say on the matter:

Many people leave the Watchtower organization each year for various reasons. Some who leave for religious reasons, because they believe that Watchtower teachings are not in harmony with either the Bible or the spirit of Christianity, have a much more difficult time adjusting than those who leave for other reasons. They are deeply religious and want to please God, but they are confused because they had accepted the authority of a religious organization which teaches things they cannot reconcile with the Scriptures.

We are the where do we go....crowd. I know that I have had many, many, many conversation with my mom, sister, brother, and other who have been witness for decades, if not a lifetime. Since there are no other comparable religions to defect to....the WTBS has successfully made the unchallenged arguement that they are the one "true" religion for most would be ex Witnesses.

When we were younger we had a saying: Once a JW kid, always a JW kid. Unfortunately this has proven to be true if pressed in conversation. I know an Atheist who still mentally reverts. Baptists who change the meanings of the sermons to fit a non-trinitarian views, while worshipping. Those who cry themselves silly and get depressed because they put up a X-mas tree and can't rid themselves of the knowledge of pagan origin and guilt.

We just need a replacement religion that rejects trinity, immortality, hell, etc etc but knows the difference between doctrine and discernment and understands love, forgiveness, charity and good will. Does anyone know how to do this on an international level?

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Some British Muslim med students refusing lessons on alcohol, STDs

by zeroday in

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http://hotair.com/archives/2007/10/07/some-british-muslim-med-students-refusing-lessons-on-alcohol-stds/

yknot

Let them flunk............doubt anyone except their family will care.

Why not go to Pakistan for college?

I mean what's next, refusing to attend class unless their female peers wear habibs

On the other hand these could be the up-in-coming "medical field" terrorist that were alluded to in the UK.

Yep let them flunk if they are British citizens and if they are attending on a student visa, deport them!

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144,000 resurrected BEFORE Jesus rose?

by tula in

according to matthew 27:52-53.

(this occurred during the time when jesus was being crucified).

"and the memorial tombs were opened and many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up, (and persons coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up, entered into the holy city,) and they became visible to many people.".

yknot

Question?

I remember many years ago an Episc Father talking about the Jews expecting to wake from the grave when the Messiah came and being buried with stuff kinda like the Egyptians. Could these have been instead of spirit bodies, been earthly bodies like Lazarus? Since the temple curtain tore and there was a big enough earthquake to bust rocks, wouldn't resurrected to life guys/saints/holy ones show fulfillment of the ideology, as testament to Jesus. I am not very knowledgable about this level of stuff as it gives me a headache and I quickly retreat to being a humble and simple follower of the Lord.

Of course I was about 5 and thought he had to be wrong, since I firmly believed they went with Jesus to heaven and were the beginning of the resurrected 144,000.

Now, I am wondering, could this be true, what Father Paul said? Matthew after all is suppose to be written to the Jews

Okay my more intelligent and enlightened Brethern.......let me know what you think..........

Gracias

Y

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New Yorker Cartoon

by Sobeit in

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in the latest issue of the new yorker, october 8, 2007, on page 69 is a cartoon of a kingdom hall with a "no soliciting" sign in front of it.. this is the issue with seymour m. hersh's article on iran..

yknot

Truth in black and white

Hey.......they have windows......(Jealous pout)

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Bethal Open Day

by Princess Daisy Boo in

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useless information: my bethalite sister excitedly tells me that they are having a massive open day next week at the local bethal... all neighbouring homes and businesses and their service providers etc have been invited and they will be providing tours and catering lunches etc.

wonder what they think they will achieve - a mass conversion when people see what bethal is like or something?

my mother always seems to think that once folk see bethal, they can't but believe that this must be the "truth".

yknot

Mainstreaming the Public Image..................

Wish it was mainstreaming the private doctrines and views..............

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The Elders came by yesterday.

by Save My Soul in

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the loving elders came by and asked me to come back to the hall with my family.

they sincerely believe that the end is near.

these changes are evidence of it.

yknot

Living in the "End-Times" has been preached for 1,973 years. Every era since 34 has had it's doomsday groups. There are many "signs" listed, but last I checked the majority of those in the Middle East, China , India etc etc have never experienced the spreading of Christ as described. There is no cry or espousing of "peace".........

If the buzz on the "annointed generation" is a fact, that will be the first "light" to ever be plausibly true.

However we clearly got some time still left in this system.......

Make sure you son gets a college education.....

Hope he has a great time playing on the schools teams, memories like that are golden........

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144,000 resurrected BEFORE Jesus rose?

by tula in

according to matthew 27:52-53.

(this occurred during the time when jesus was being crucified).

"and the memorial tombs were opened and many bodies of the holy ones that had fallen asleep were raised up, (and persons coming out from among the memorial tombs after his being raised up, entered into the holy city,) and they became visible to many people.".

yknot

I alway took this to mean, that once Jesus had risen then those of the 144,000 those whom had already died, were awakened and given spirit bodies and followed Jesus. Them being visible I assumed was to be a testament that Jesus was God's Son and the Messiah. I am under the impression, that once one of the "annointed" died, that they too recieved immediate resurrection into a spirit body and went to work for Jesus in Heaven. That this continues until their filling during Tribulation. But this is just mho.

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UNIVERSAL RECONCILATION

by writetoknow in

once a person is forced to think that perhaps they don't have all the answers it is a refreshings experience to realize that mankinds salvation maybe a lot greater then we are willing to see.

the information below is not mine and i don't agree with all of it however i must say it has caused me to rethink some of my narrow views once held as a witness i hope it does the same for you.

universal reconciliation .