Posts by funkyderek

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What Did The Jews Expect As a Reward For Faith in God?

by Undecided in

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if it was to just have a place to live somewhere on earth untill they died, didn't many of the pagans already have this?

maybe that is why so many times they just went with the religion of their neighbours.

did they have some faith of going to heaven?

funkyderek

just have a place to live somewhere on earth untill they died

That seems to be it. For all the crap he's put them through, you'd think he would have given them somewhere nicer, the south of France maybe, or a nice Carribean island...

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Why didn't God use a army of angels to take down Goliath?

by Salivating Dog in

why did god use one shepherd armed only with a slingshot to take down the powerful giant?.

what kind of message was he trying to send by doing that?.

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funkyderek

Philippus79:

All those stories are prophetic dramas.

All actions, all items used etc have a greater symbolic and prophetic meaning.

Exactly. The stories were just made up to advance the writers' interests.

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this thread, and others like it, got me thinking that, if this board is representative of society, there is definitely an anti-theist wind blowing in western nations, much more so in europe than here in the united states.

could it happen here as it happened there?.

from edward j. derwinski "religious persecution in the soviet union - transcript".

funkyderek

BurnTheShips:

All atheists affirm that no God or gods exist.

No they don't. Most atheists merely deny that there is any reason to believe in gods, and that given the complete lack of evidence for the existence of gods it is highly unlikely that any exist.

They reject theism. That idea ties every atheist together, if they do not hold this idea, they are not atheist

True by definition. An atheist is someone who is not a theist. That's not a common belief, it's a common lack of belief. Calling it a belief is like calling "non-Mexican" a nationality. (Non-Mexicans are not from Mexico. That fact ties every non-Mexican together, if they do not come from a country other than Mexico, they are not non-Mexican.)

I repeat, atheism ties all atheists together. All atheists are atheist.

Pointless truism. (All non-Mexicans are non-Mexicans.)

All theists affirm that a God or gods exist. They reject atheism. That idea ties every theist together, if they do not hold this idea, they are not theists.

This makes sense and actually passes the "Mexican test." (All Mexicans come from Mexico. They reject non-Mexicanism. That fact ties every Mexican together, if they are not from Mexico, they are not Mexicans.)

Sheesh, you just don't get it do you?

I'm not sure I do either. Some totalitarian regimes have banned religion. You seem to be worried that anyone who rejects religion will try to form a totalitarian regime on that basis. Obviously that's not it, you're not that stupid. Alternatively, you may be confusing the desires of individual people with acts of government, and somehow trying to equate somebody preferring to see religion go the way of alchemy, with governments burning churches. Again, I'd prefer to think you were smarter than that, but I'm struggling to see your point.

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You got to love these emails going around JW land.

by whereami in

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friends,.

a co in the w...... congregation said that the reason so many of our brothers are dis-fellowshipped isn't because of wrong doing, it's because the new system isn't a reality.

read this all the way thru, it is truly a dose of what is yet to come.

funkyderek

Busy with con struction projects, Bethany
isn't spending a lot of time working on art – she knows she has
forever to develop her talent!

Looks like some things won't change.

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Could it happen here?

by BurnTheShips in

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this thread, and others like it, got me thinking that, if this board is representative of society, there is definitely an anti-theist wind blowing in western nations, much more so in europe than here in the united states.

could it happen here as it happened there?.

from edward j. derwinski "religious persecution in the soviet union - transcript".

funkyderek

BurnTheShips:

You're confusing "antitheism" with secularism. Unlike the attempts by the totalitarian regime of the Soviet Union to ensure that they were the only game in town, most modern opposition to religion is simply attempting to strip it of the special privileges it is currently granted in many countries. Your country, of course, has a complete separation of church and state, a fact of which I am sure you are quite proud, but some of us are not so lucky. What secularists want is for people to have the freedom to believe whatever they wish and participate in whatever rituals please them as long as those beliefs and rituals do not harm anybody else, which harm includes their being given tax money (or tax exemptions) to fund their religion, or having undue influence on the law.

What reasonable person could possibly object to that?

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Zeitgiest

by Fester in

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for those who haven't seen the real truth...

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

flapjacks!

funkyderek

Fester:

For those who haven't seen the real truth... http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com Flapjacks!

For those who want to know the truth about this movie... http://zeitgeistmovieisfake.com/truth/ Pancakes!

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Anyone here into vegetarianism?

by DazedAndConfused in

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this trying to become somewhat of a vegetarian is hard.

i can look up anything on the net and find out how to do anything, including how to make a devastating nail bomb to making ricine (sp) to kill people but i can't seem to find out the nutritional values a person needs.. what i worry about most is the protein that we need on a daily basis.

right now i am eating everything that has the highest content of protein i can find in the cupboard.. i am not trying to go vegetarian because of peta, although i have watched the video's (eeeeewwwww).

funkyderek

Sirona:

Those who said that you can get enough protein by eating veggies, could you please break that down and explain how I'm going to get 45g or more (whilst pregnant I was told 70g per day) on just vegetables!

I don't normally worry too much about the exact nutritional content of what I eat; my normal eating pattern seems to work fairly well. But breaking down what I've eaten today, for breakfast I had:

2 large eggs, scrambled (with cheese) : approx 15g of protein
1 portion of baked beans: 10g of protein
5 hash browns: 3g of protein
1 Linda McCartney sausage: 11.3g of protein.
1 slice of seven seed bread, toasted: approx. 3g of protein
Approx. 200ml mixed fruit smoothie: approx 2g of protein

That's approximately 44g of protein, just in breakfast!

Since then, I've had a packet of Cheese & Onion Frisps (1.4g of protein) and a banana (1g of protein) to take me over the guideline allowance. And I haven't had dinner yet. (And I pretty much skipped lunch.)

I do not recommend following the above diet (!) but I only eat a breakfast like that on weekends and if I were snacking on nuts instead of a "reformed potato snack" I'd have an even higher protein count now.

I will try to include some actual vegetables in my dinner!

See http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm for more balanced advice.

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C.S. Lewis and his "trilemma".

by gaiagirl in

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author c.s.

lewis once wrote that one of three situations exist: .

1) jesus was the son of god .

funkyderek

Mohammed: Prophet, pillager or paedophile. Discuss.

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Have we become like those we despise?

by boyzone in

ak jeff and i have just had a small disagreement on the charlton heston thread.

nothing important or serious, but it just struck me that in our exchanges he and brentr have used a couple of lines of false argumentation to get their point across.. i can't help but think its strange that with all our moaning about the watchtower and its false argumentation methods, are we prepared to use exactly the same methods when our views are challenged?.

i find this a bit disconcerting, especially on here of all places.

funkyderek

boyzone:

AK Jeff and I have just had a small disagreement on the Charlton Heston thread. Nothing important or serious, but it just struck me that in our exchanges he and BrentR have used a couple of lines of false argumentation to get their point across.

Oh, the irony of the person who posted that defending Michael Moore.

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Is Satan actually the good guy, and Jehovah the evil usurper?

by 10p in

a few years ago i read genesis again, and with a more objective mind, got the sense that satan was actually telling the truth, and that god was just trying to have humans be his slaves.

and god's reign over humans hasn't been all that pretty, in fact, its been downright awful.. 'course, i'm atheist now, so i wouldn't believe it even that way around - not literally anyway.

but i wondered if the writer/editors of genesis may have actually had this thought.. anyone know of any sources that explore this idea in depth?.

funkyderek

BurnTheShips:

Do you have evidence of this or is it merely speculation?

It's speculation based on the fact that when 2 Samuel was written the author didn't think to blame Satan, but attributed the "evil" act to YHWH's anger. It's quite obvious reading the bible that Satan is quite a late invention, but as to when and how this happened, you'll have to do your own research (unless Leolaia or Narkissos happen to grace this thread and enlighten us).

For God it was. For Satan it was not.
Do you understand FD?

Not really, no. God, out of love, conspired to murder himself. And Satan, out of hate, went along with it (although it doesn't seem from the bible that he had any part in it). Wouldn't it have been more evil to try to thwart the "murder" so that God's purpose of killing himself (or at least pretending to) in order to allow himself to forgive people of sins they hadn't commited if they believed in him would go unfulfilled? What's evil about doing exactly what God wants?