Posts by eclipse

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And, maybe, it is not too late.

by nvrgnbk in

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and it is also time to end the nightmare of slavery to the diseased ideals of mindless growth, rapacious consumption, and the utterly insane notion that unrestrained self-interest ought not be controlled.

though the fundamental freedom to pursue one's own interests is absolutely vitaleven sacred and must be protectedwe must stop justifying the cruel, unrestrained pursuit of wealth and power.

we must stop glorifying greed with the now popular lie that unfettered avarice is our best guide down the path of the greatest good for the greatest number!

eclipse

Pure logic is not a matter of perspective. Black can't be black and white too. When debating North American events, it pays to have perspective, and a healthy check for cause and effect.

I respectfully disagree, I have seen where someone can present a perfectly logical fact, and someone else will deem it illogical...I am just stating what I observe.

I read your entire post where you took apart the paragraph, and broke it down. Very interesting perspectives, of which many I agree with. I too shy away from radical, fanatical view points..and I am not in agreement with yoism entirely. But I respect their viewpoints, and the vision that they have...

I am ignorant about the political side of them, and how they will endeavor to bring about the changes they speak of...so I can neither debate about that, nor form an opinion on it.

You seem to have the energy to fight what you prioritize as necessary to protect your american way of life, and I respect that...(again, just an observation, and I can be wrong, and am not afraid to be corrected.)

me personally, I am just an observer, and prefer to just live & let live.

I just want to say that I read what you wrote, I listened and I learned.

If you feel you have to pick apart everything I say and have to dissect it, by all means, knock yourself out, but I just think there are bigger fish to fry out there than me, and you certainly have the intelligence and the knowledge to do so...I am nobody...just an outsider looking in...

best regards, -e

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And, maybe, it is not too late.

by nvrgnbk in

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and it is also time to end the nightmare of slavery to the diseased ideals of mindless growth, rapacious consumption, and the utterly insane notion that unrestrained self-interest ought not be controlled.

though the fundamental freedom to pursue one's own interests is absolutely vitaleven sacred and must be protectedwe must stop justifying the cruel, unrestrained pursuit of wealth and power.

we must stop glorifying greed with the now popular lie that unfettered avarice is our best guide down the path of the greatest good for the greatest number!

eclipse

If no one pays attention, then no change happens.

I have a severe dislike of ineffective, illogical movements. Change also happens without anyone paying attention.

I too dislike illogical movements, but what is logical to one, may be illogical to another, it's all about perspective, of which, I am not reciting my own viewpoints, merely my observations of world events.

Lookee here. I've had a twenty-plus years as a civil servant. I've seen laws and regulations that were useful and needed. I've also seen private members' bills that are plainly stupid. You don't want to wake the sleeping beast that is public democracy in this country. There are just as many stupid leaders as smart ones. Do you know what the end result of a successful protest is? A bloody commission. After the commission exhausts all sources of funds for public consultation and state dinners, they write a report. If our duly elected leaders deem the protest valid, they write up new legislation. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's very, very bad. I've seen the result of en-masse government policy change, and I've seen a lot of people get hurt in the process. I don't trust revolution in the hands of our publicly elected leaders.

Now, the author of this rant, as far as I can tell, is blaming unfettered wealth on the spiritual poverty of the nation. First of all, the wrong target has been selected. Second of all, how would you legislate it? Don't you dare give the government the idea they can tax a new source of funds... the very drivers of new industry and innovation in our nation! Our stupid government would drive North America in to spiralling poverty.

I'll re-iterate the part of this rant I agree with. Where in there do I mention spirituality at all?

Here:

Protests work when those who govern us are making a serious error in judgement. When it comes to North America's spiritual health, however, THERE'S NO-ONE IN CHARGE

I would agree that it is good for each of us to re-evaluate our priorities, live noble lives, and connect to people in a genuine way. I would also agree that in North America at least, these higher ideals tend to be drowned out by the cacophony of a media-driven consumerism. It's a fight to live a great life....If our society is sick, it's by accident. If we want to make it well, it must be by individual choice and action.

We have power, as individuals, to affect national change. The internet helps. I have other ideas, but I don't think you are prepared to listen.

Excellent points!! I was just making sure I wasn't misunderstanding you, jgnat. Now I see where you are coming from. Please do not dimiss me so easily, I am always willing to listen to what others have to say.

-e

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Do you remember this saying...?

by Flowerpetal in

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regarding worldly associations:.

"the worst jw in the org.

is better than the best person in the world..".

eclipse

one good turn....gets all the bedcovers

hahaha, awesome! loved that one ninja. As for the JW saying? I thought they looked at the worst JW with contempt and disdain, never inviting the ''weak'' one to social gatherings, since there were not deemed good association... This bothered me alot about the religion, so many good non-JW people, yet they were all considered bad association...stupidity.

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Elders Giving Personal Opinions as Counsel,How did it Affect You?

by flipper in

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hey everybody.

when i was a witness one thing that drove me crazy was getting counsel from elders shooting personal opinions off their hip like it was from jehovah god himself.

how many times at assemblies, wt articles, etc.

eclipse

He said that if you fall asleep, lose your focus, or not finish before saying "In Jesus name, Amen", that you are disrepecting Jehovah. After all, you wouldn't fall asleep or just quit talking to your boss, or a friend so you can never expect Jehovah to accept that type of prayer.

38, I too had an elder say this to me...I was a teenager and I always fell asleep praying. He made me feel bad, and then I just stopped praying after that, and I haven't prayed since!!

Another Elder said, ''Unless you are dying, you should never miss the ''mee-teen'', here is where you will receive, life, saving, instruction! You would not want to miss that! So, brothas and sistas, there is never a good excuse for missing the ''mee-teen''!''

I was pissed off when I heard him say that. I thought about all the times that families have sick kids, and cant make it, or elderly ones that are ill, or ones that have car trouble, or any other good excuse to not be there, and he basically said, none of it was a good enough excuse. Be there, unless you're dead. What a stupid zealous fanatical idiot.

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And, maybe, it is not too late.

by nvrgnbk in

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and it is also time to end the nightmare of slavery to the diseased ideals of mindless growth, rapacious consumption, and the utterly insane notion that unrestrained self-interest ought not be controlled.

though the fundamental freedom to pursue one's own interests is absolutely vitaleven sacred and must be protectedwe must stop justifying the cruel, unrestrained pursuit of wealth and power.

we must stop glorifying greed with the now popular lie that unfettered avarice is our best guide down the path of the greatest good for the greatest number!

eclipse

Except that, in the case of what ails us, radical surgery is not only unneccessary, but dangerous. There are surgeons who love to perform appendectomies, tonsillectomies, and heart surgery. They enjoy it so much they sometimes prescribe the "cure" without considering the patient. Sometimes those surgeries, though valuable in the right context, can kill. Protests work when those who govern us are making a serious error in judgement.

I agree with this entire statement.

As for no one being in charge of North America's ''Spiritual Health", Do you believe someone should be in charge and dictate to everyone what type of spirituality they should have?

Isn't that God's/Jesus' job?

So if the protest march is about an issue that you personally disagree with, you would consider it radical?

Just wondering.

Not everyone is spiritual, or even believes in a higher power.

Protests do good. They aren't radical like the nutjob surgeons mentioned . Surgeries directly and immediately affect the patient.

Protest marches do not.

If no one pays attention, then no change happens.

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OOOH, WOOK AT DA WIDDLE CUTIE! (PIC)

by smellsgood in

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ok, i usually never post any pics online since i'm paranoid, forgive me.

i watch dateline.

anyways....i found this picture the other day of my little sister when she must have been 1-2, and it is the cutest picture of her ever!!!!!!!

eclipse

Damn, your bro is hot!

Your lil sis is THE CUTEST most adorable toddler ever

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..Another Puzzle..

by OUTLAW in

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..another puzzle..brainiac x-dubs..or pro dubs..i don`t really care which..who ultimutely owns,the watchtower bible and tract society??

?...outlaw

eclipse

lmfao Snakes! that was the most entertaining thing I have seen on here in a long time..

the thread about the watchtower and awake covers doctored up by Mary and everyone else is just as hilarious.

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Doctrine of Suppression - I sincerely want to know this...

by Gretchen956 in

watching the video of the street preacher at the district convention got me thinking (always a dangerous proposition).

there seems to be this history revolving around christianity.

starting with the romans, the idea began to be, convert through suppression, oppression, war and acts of violence.

eclipse

I enjoyed reading your post, FHN.

I wish that all Christian religions and sects were like how you described above. I too believe that Jesus taught love and mercy and tolerance.

Gently Feral, your post was very enlightening...you make a very good point in your final sentence. Thank you for sharing your knowledge

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This is what I am going to do.

by GODLOVESME in

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this sunday at 11.00am i am going to take a jw to a church service at st marks luthern church in yonkers ny.she is 28 years old.

she was born and raised a jw.

she has never been in a church in here life and is so brainwashed that she thinks saton lives inside.

eclipse

lol@mtsgrad!!!

GODLOVESME, aquagirl was laughing at mtsgrad's post above hers. ''lol'' means laugh out loud. ''@'' means ''at''.

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And, maybe, it is not too late.

by nvrgnbk in

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friends

and it is also time to end the nightmare of slavery to the diseased ideals of mindless growth, rapacious consumption, and the utterly insane notion that unrestrained self-interest ought not be controlled.

though the fundamental freedom to pursue one's own interests is absolutely vitaleven sacred and must be protectedwe must stop justifying the cruel, unrestrained pursuit of wealth and power.

we must stop glorifying greed with the now popular lie that unfettered avarice is our best guide down the path of the greatest good for the greatest number!

eclipse

e: huge protest rallies, spray painting large corporations with red paint, kidnapping the CEO's to get people to listen????.

jgnat: boycotting certain corporations, lobbying for new legislation, or, heaven forbid, askfor a donation to the "cause"?

Which of these would you considered ''radical''?

protests have also brought about good changes. Without some of the protest rallies in the past 20th century, things would of remained the same. http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/FreeTrade/Protests.asp

Kidnapping is radical and totally unecessary,

I was using it to illustrate what RADICAL actually is.