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  2008 Keep Yourselves In God's Love--PDF!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  2008 keep yourselves in god's love--pdf!

  bookmarked searchable reduced to 2.4-mb from (anonymous-5) please note the "appendix" of this book!

  click the link at the bottom of the next page.

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  lrkr

  When I heard about this book, it sounded like another Talmud of rules and regulations. It is, but it is also a remarkable work of indoctrination propaganda.

  Birthdays are the favorite days of Satanists!! Who knew??? Turns out, Birthdays are also the favorite days of baseball players, and zookeepers, and kindergartners, and politicians, and journalists, and graduate students, and well- just about everyone except those who have been indoctrinated since they were 2 years old to believe that they are Satanic!!!
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  "fade" Is this term or other "apostate" vocab being used in talks by JW's?

  by Thechickennest in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am picking up a whole new set of terms, abreviations, etc.

  from this forum.

  with the number of increasing active jw's veiwing and using this forum i was wondering if this new language is making its way back into talks, meeting parts, preaching work or other areas in the social lives of current jw's?.

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  lrkr

  As soon as they start using the words "indoctrinated" "brainwashed" or "dub" I'll know they have been lurking here.
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  I Really, Really Want a Baby...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have since as far back as i can remember.

  i don't really think the jw thing will be an issue anymore.... ok, so what do you think?.

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  lrkr

  Cognac,

  Having a child is one of the most rewarding and most natural pleasures that we can have. (Not "making" the child, but raising the child) My kid changed my life forever- he was one of the best things that ever happened to me. There may be a lot of JW propaganda still floating around in your head about the loss of freedom, "problems", etc. I say that all of that is fear-mongering from the childless writers in Brooklyn.

  It makes sense to plan appropriately to bring the child into the most supportive, healthy environment you can. (You have to figure out what that means for yourself.) But don't deny yourself this basic right because your circumstances aren't perfect.

  Lrkr
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  How did your young children cope when you left?

  by boyzone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have an 8 year old son who's in primary school.

  he has to pass 3 sisters and their kids most mornings and they shun me, so therefore they shun him too as he's with me.

  he has known these people since birth so he's pretty confused by this.

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  lrkr

  This is an important thread, I think.

  My son is 9 and we have been doing the fade since his 8th birthday. Its amazing what he says when he realizes that there are no longer any boundaries on belief. He continually says things like- "maybe there isn't a God. There isn't really any proof." Anyone who says "Children naturally believe in God" have never spoken with children in an honest and open manner. (Ok - that was a pretty broad generalization- I expect some flaming for that) Children have a natural logic that simply can't accept much of what is taught in the Bible (especially the OT).

  He has made comments like "We really dont do our religion anymore." To which I say-"No, we don't. Sometimes its important to rethink what you've always believed to be true."

  To me, its important that he know that there may not be any fixed, unquestionable religious truths and that life is a journey of discovery. I'm trying to balance that with giving him a set of moral boundaries (stealing, hurting others, hurting yourself is wrong) but I find that children do have a bit of a natural compass when it comes to basic moral issues. (They just have no natural moral compass regarding stories of brutality in the OT, senseless doctrines like blood, and other artificially imposed religious "morality")
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  Violations of privacy re: postal mail by JWs

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been sending out orders of books to jws, ex-jws and others for over 25 years.

  sometimes plain wrap to keep the family's noses out of it.

  over the years i have seen the same constant pattern: whenever the questioning jw lives with or near family members who are currently jws, they want to break open the mail to see what others are ordering!!

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  lrkr

  I know of witnesses who work for Barnes and Noble.com and Amazon.com. One got my number off an order and called me up. That was a few years ago (before I ordered "apostate literature.")

  I suppose if they called me on it today, I'd recommend that they read the book before they make any judgements.

  Fortunately, when I ordered from Randy- my wife was as curious to see the books as I was.
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  Kid's playing sports?

  by ldrnomo in

  1. jw
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  anyone keep their kids from playing sports because of the borg?.

  when my son was 8 years old they had a t-ball league in the summer at the nearby park.

  because of the borg training we told him he couldn't play t-ball.. that kind of thinking just carried on throughout his life from junior high through high school.

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  I never played sports as a 'raised in'. So now I over compensate and enroll my kid in everything. (Im living vicariously through him)
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  News Flash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by TooBad TooSad in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  my wife excitedly told me that she talked to the wife of an elder that just came back from.

  the special training for elders in upper state new york and that the elders are being told .

  to go back to their congregations and to get them ready for the great tribulation.. i said to her that is great news !!!!

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  lrkr

  Just like when Ashcroft told everyone to have plastic, duct tape and canned goods in the house.

  Fear sells!!!
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  UK / USA opinion poll

  by HB in

  1. social
  2. current

  not sure - uk25% usa 11%.

  yes it is a sin - uk 5% usa 33%.

  yes it is a sin - uk 13% usa 40% .

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  OK- so you Brits kick all of the Puritans and other extreme religious nuts out of your country and send them here and then have the nerve to point out that we are more 'religious, closed minded, and ignorant'

  Well of course we are- but you guys caused it.

  We'll send all of our religious nuts back if you like.

  Starting with our President!!!!
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  Cigars

  by besty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ...and so to the end of a great evening with new friends and a familiar lover.. my feet are up and the sounds of socal stillness punctuated by occasional dreams departing from lax.. is there more to life than friends, lovers, brandy and hand rolled cuban companions?.

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  BTS-

  I don't agree with your politics usually, but I'd gladly enjoy a hand rolled and a scotch with you and try to solve the problems of the world.....

  Lrkr
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-08-08 WT Study (GUIDANCE)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  god's guidance = only the guidance of the wts/fds/gb.

  when, though, do we need that guidance?

  god's guidance = wts/fds/gb guidance.

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  Q 8. What were the implications of Eve's eating the forbidden fruit? 8. Remember, though, that we have to be willing to follow Jehovah's guidance. God will not force us to do so if we do not want to. The first human to choose not to follow Jehovah's guidance was Eve, and her example shows how serious such a bad decision can be. Think, too, of the implications. Eve ate of the forbidden fruit because she wanted "to be like God, knowing good and bad." (Gen. 3:5) In doing so, she put herself in God's place, making her own decisions as to good and evil rather than following Jehovah's guidelines. Thus, she turned her back on Jehovah's sovereignty. She wanted to be her own master. Her husband, Adam, pursued the same rebellious course.-Rom. 5:12.

  Does it strike anyone else as funny, and somewhat embarrassing, that we used to accept the story of a woman and a talking snake as a legitimate source of guidance in our lives. Literally!!!! Most of us believed that story literally!!!!

  EMBARRASSING!!!