Posts by logic

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Meetings are very children unfriendly

by Robert7 in

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i guess the parents can appreciate this one, and this is a very imporant issue since kids are a huge part of your lifel.... have you noticed that meetings are so not children friendly?

you are expected to keep you children, regardless of age, quiet for 2 hours.

the expectation is that they are as quiet as an adult.

logic

I have always thought that some type of bible class thing would have been great for the kids and would have given the parents a break. The society is either so ignorant about kids or in my opinion it is part of the method of brainwashing and so the kids really do not learn anything . If the kids had an atmosphere that made learning the bible fun then they would grow up with more appreciation. Most jw kids I know don't have a clue about what is in the bible. My wife did the fun thing with our kids and they had more knowledge of what the bible actually says.

It is a proven fact that kids don't learn to well under duress. Most of the kids I grew up with that went throught this kind of hell at the hall just left when they were old enough.

I am not saying that kids should not behave when it is appropriate, but why make a kids life a pain in the but for 5 hours a week or more.

My daughter is a devout jw, she seemed to fit into the lifestyle and was always easily influenced by others . My son has always said it was a bunch of crap and could not stand the authority angle of the society. My kids were like the opposite ends of a magnet.

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The NORCO Jehovah's Witness Circut Assembly 2007 Expenses

by BBOARD in

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just wanted to share this with fellow jwd members.

i went to the norco circut assembly and these are the recent $ numbers quoted ... .

as of 4/14/2007 (the first of two circut assemblies) we had $10,260,22 (a surplus) .

logic

I have had several jws mention this to me on their own. They do not understand how if we own the bldg outright how these ridiculous numbers can be. I like the look in their eyes when I tell them that it is because there are too many foxes in the hen house. The society is worse than our government

The society wants more money than if you rented from someone in the buisness. It is the same with everything in the society. It cost more for the building committee to do the job than if you hired a contractor, they want more money form their literature, tapes, dvds, etc. than commercial products. Then with all this ill gotten money, they never seem to have any money for anything.

What ticks me off is most jws know there is something wrong but just keep putting up with the same old crap. At least my wife who is a jw diehard finally quit donating to this crap. I do see a twinkle of hope in her.

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The real story: Is your congregation stagnant, dwindling or thriving?

by truthseeker in

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with the 2007 service year stats out one could be forgiven for thinking that wt's problems are over, the child abuse settlement an itch in their bethel backside and the blood issue a minor annoyance.. if the truth were known, it is probably that more often than not, congregations are in decline, attendance is poor and few new recruits are not already jw family members.. so, if you know how your congregation is doing, if you have the pulse of your hall, let us know.. .

my congregation (which shall remain nameless).

dwindling attendance at all meetings (around 80%).

logic

Just a side note. A couple of years ago I thought the announced meeting attendance always seemed high compare to who I seen there, so I started counting myself, several times, to get as accurate count as possible, including those on the phone and those getting up and down, the count was always about 20 people off. I told my wife that either I can't count, the attendants can't count, or somebody is lying.

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Calling all wood Deck Pro's

by restrangled in

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i have a deck, that initially was sealed by hand with a brush.

twice over and took me a month.......it's over 1000 square feet.

pressure treated pine.

logic

Clorox sells a product for outdoor cleaning, just spray it on and let set for a few minutes then use a large brush, broom etc. then was off. Never use a wire brush. This product works great on siding, concrete brick etc. I used it on the models in housing projects to keep them looking great.

The pressure treated lumber is claimed to last 100 years. You can use it for most anything. It makes great decking, but many people do not like the look because it has thousands of perforations in it from the process of pressure treating. I have removed some decks made of this and one was over 20 years old but the 2x6 lumber was still in very good shape, and no treatment had ever been done other than cleaning. I have removed fence posts several years old that were still in very good shape. You have to be carefull cutting or sanding this lumber because of the chemicals in it. The pressure treated lumber you buy in most lumber supplies is no. 2 which is not the best. You can order it in no. 1 which makes very good decking but very expensive.

I used to build many decks, arbors etc out of old growth redwood which last for a very long time but does need regular maintenance. It is now very hard to get old growth redwood, it is very expensive. The redwood you get now has been altered to grow very fast and therefore does not contain as much of the resin that made it resist rot and insects that it did.

The new composites are great but expensive. You also have to decrease the span of your floor joist as the product tends to sag .

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I need a simplified explanation...

by XOCO in

today i had a sister do a bible study with me and i asked her if jesus really died on a torture stake instead of a cross and i showed her john 20:25 emphasizing hands with an s and nails with an s. what the sister had told me was "yes one nail though his hands and one nail though his feet" ok so now back to the emphasis of the s if that were the case why make hand and nail plural be written in the bible then?

logic

I have read thousands of pages of info on this subject. There are so many scenarios, that are possible with the placement of the hands. The one explanation that makes scince to me is that there was a stake, pole, etc. that remained at a certain location, the cross beam would be carried by the poor soul to be killed. The person would be attached to the cross beam and them hoisted up and placed onto the pole by some simple means. If you have ever installed a large post , etc. in a hole , you would not want to do so more that once especially with some one attached to it . But this is still just theory but it is my favorite theory . The thing about it is that the person could still be considered to be hung on a pole, stake as the greek work word indicates.

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Key JW phrases not found in the bible

by Abandoned in

the jw have so many phrases that are not found in the bible but that they spout as though they were deathly important.

you have to keep up with present truth.

i always hated that saying.. can you think of any?

logic

service car

book study

worldly this and worldly that

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The Watchtower art department strikes again!!! LOL

by cultswatter in

please have a look at the white horse on page 91 of rev climax book(the horse that jesus is riding).

this horse is what a horse should look like.

(don't look at it too long or you may be tempted) now look at the same white horse on page 23 of the feb 15th 2008 wt.

logic

The bottom of the left front hoof is visible. If the leg is meant to be bent then then the bottom of hoof should not be visible. It appears that the left leg is bent the wrong direction. Drawing horses is difficult. I studied several books on horses and looked at thousands of photos before I could even get close. Then I asked my friends and relatives who have and were raised with horses to correct me. I was finally able to do a few believable pieces.

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2008 study WT will be confiscated from non-publishers

by mac n cheese in

the literature servant told me that their instructions are to only give one study wt per publisher starting with the january 1st, 2008 issue.

under no circumstances are they to provide any other copies (if lost or whatever, much like kms are provided now).

any guests attending the wt study will be provided a copy, but then the servant who gave them the copy must confiscate it after the meeting.

logic

One reason they may be picking them back up may be because all the study articles for the month are in one issue. If they only got a few extras then it would be difficult to have enough every week. There are some jws that lose or forget theirs every meeting. My wife has brought the wrong magazines a few times, I just get any magazine and look like l am a zealous jw. I discovered that it doesn't make much difference If you have the right magazine anyway, it all sounds the same.

Some of jws make a big deal out of everything, and others could care less, just depends on which congregation you are in.

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Of The 5 Meetings, Was There One You Hated More Than The Others?

by minimus in

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usually, i enjoyed the public talk, if the speaker was good but i thought the theocratic ministry was boring!!!.

the service meeting was just a sales meeting.

the book studies were simply ridiculous.

logic

The question to me is like this, having both your eyes poked out with a red hot poker and then being asked which one hurt the most.The meetings to me were just a type of torture.

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New light re: baptism?

by behemot in

i heard rumors that "new light" is coming re: baptism.. it seems that those who got baptised without inner conviction or real dedication and / or cooled off afterwards, could get re-baptised.. anyone else heard something similar?.

behemot.

logic

They would probably love to rebaptise everyone that was not baptised under the new rules, dedicating yourselves to the organization.