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  "God's Plan of Salvation - from a Cat's Point of View"

  by Nathan Natas in

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  just yesterday i discovered that my cat rutherford has been preparing a manuscript for publication.. it is a real eye-opener..

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  Is this like 'The Emperor's New Clothes' and we're supposed to say that we can see it in that big space?

  The content appeared invisibly in 1914 - only the anointed can see it (after a few glasses of the liquid memorial emblem).
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  "God's Plan of Salvation - from a Cat's Point of View"

  by Nathan Natas in

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  just yesterday i discovered that my cat rutherford has been preparing a manuscript for publication.. it is a real eye-opener..

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  cat Rutherford

  Excellent !
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  What did Jesus approve in 1919 ?

  by AlphaOmega in

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  as an offshoot from this thread (can threads sprout shoots ?)....

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/136253/1.ashx.

  ... i was wondering if anyone has any quotes / scans of .

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  As an offshoot from this thread (can threads sprout shoots ?)...

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/136253/1.ashx

  ... I was wondering if anyone has any quotes / scans of

  • What was taught in 1919
  • WT Lit that says Jesus inspected the org in 1919 and gave them the "Divine Thumbs Up"
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  Two Questions...

  by AlphaOmega in

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  i need to draw on your collective jw knowledge here; i have two questions:.

  1. if satan is supposed to be the ruler of this world and jesus' arrived invisibly in 1914 to rule the world, surely only one is true.. 2. the "knocking" documentary put the dubs on television, does that make them "teledubbies" ?.

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  1. If Satan is supposed to be the ruler of this world AND Jesus' arrived invisibly in 1914 to rule the world, surely only one is true.

  Here's the correct answer from Eclipse:

  1914 was the year Jesus was enthroned, and Jesus first act as King was to hurl the demons and Satanto earth. now Satan is ruler of the earth, and Jesus is king in heaven..

  When we analyze doctrine, Jesus was enthroned in Heaven, and only had his 'presence' on Earth in the sense of
  judging the sheep and the goats, but now that's cancelled, so his presence was to establish who his faithful and
  discreet slave was. He determined that the group that thought he arrived in the 19th century, and who celebrated
  Christmas, and used Pyramidology to arrive at 1914 as the end of the world- these folks were closest to doing his
  will because they sold literature about God's Kingdom. Today, we know they were wrong about all those points, but
  they were still chosen because they sold literature about God's Kingdom.

  2. The "Knocking" documentary put the dubs on television, does that make them "TeleDubbies" ?

  YES.

  Thank you for your answers. Does anyone have any WT references that say that Jesus inspected them in 1919 and gave them his seal of approval ? Have they really dumped that doctrine - or do they cling onto it based on the "selling of literature"?
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  Watchtower evidence that Beth Sarim WAS for the Return..anyone?, thanks!

  by NotaNess in

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  hi, has there been any past topics or postings of this material in the wts materials?

  if so, where and if not, can your direct me or post something...thanks!

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  I believe Beth Sarim is also mentioned in the 1975 Yearbook of JW's, which details the history of the organization. It is rather one-sided, but surprisingly, even includes information about Miracle Wheat.

  *** yb75 pp. 193-194 Part 3—United States of America ***

  CLOSING DAYS AT BETH-SARIM

  By November Brother Rutherford’s critical illness had gained ground and he was compelled to have an operation at Elkhart, Indiana. Thereafter he expressed a desire to go to California. So he was taken to a San Diego residence known as "Beth-Sarim." For some time it was apparent to his associates and the best medical experts that he could not recover.

  Briefly it may be said that Brother Rutherford had a severe case of pneumonia after his release from unjust imprisonment during 1918-1919 because of his faithfulness to Jehovah. Thereafter he had only one good lung. It was virtually impossible for him to remain in Brooklyn, New York, during the winter and still carry out his duties as the Society’s president. In the 1920’s he went to San Diego under a doctor’s treatment. The climate there was exceptionally good and the doctor urged him to spend as much time as possible in San Diego. That is what Rutherford did ultimately.

  In time, a direct contribution was made for the purpose of constructing a house in San Diego for Brother Rutherford’s use. It was not built at the expense of the Watch Tower Society. Concerning this property, the 1939 book Salvation stated: "At San Diego, California, there is a small piece of land, on which, in the year 1929, there was built a house, which is called and known as Beth-Sarim."

  Sister Hazel Burford was one of the nurses who cared for Brother Rutherford during his final illness at Beth-Sarim, where he was taken in November 1941. She tells us: "We had the interesting times, for he got to where he would sleep all day and then all night long he was busy with the Society’s business and kept us on the move." One morning about the middle of December three brothers, including Brother Knorr, arrived from Brooklyn. Sister Burford recalls: "They spent several days with him going over the annual report for the Yearbook and other organizational matters. After their departure, Brother Rutherford continued to weaken and, about three weeks later, on Thursday, January 8, 1942, he faithfully finished his earthly course and graduated into fuller service privileges in the courts of his heavenly Father." Later that day the news was sent to the Brooklyn headquarters by long-distance telephone at 5:15 p.m.

  How was news of J. F. Rutherford’s death received at Brooklyn Bethel? "I will never forget the day we learned of Brother Rutherford’s passing," comments William A. Elrod. "The announcement was brief. There were no speeches."
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  You Know You're Addicted to JWD When.....

  by brinjen in

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  just for fun....... the first thing you do in the morning is log on.... you view your job as just another distraction to keep you away from it.

  you start looking for career options that might allow you internet access.

  you look at all the feet in flip flops on the bus in the morning and think "crumpet would enjoy this".

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  ... it comes as a shock when you realise that you have never met anyone on here face-to-face yet you feel like you've been at an all-night party with them !

  ... you have access to JWD on your cell-phone AND PDA !

  ... when someone requests a scan, you drop everything and rush to your "theocratic library"
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  Two Questions...

  by AlphaOmega in

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  i need to draw on your collective jw knowledge here; i have two questions:.

  1. if satan is supposed to be the ruler of this world and jesus' arrived invisibly in 1914 to rule the world, surely only one is true.. 2. the "knocking" documentary put the dubs on television, does that make them "teledubbies" ?.

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  What I'm trying to say is that: Jesus and Satan can't BOTH be ruling this world.

  UNLESS, by some twisted logic the WTBTS claim that they are one.

  Which looking at their interpretation of who "Abaddon" is in Revelation - they are nearly there!
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  Watchtower evidence that Beth Sarim WAS for the Return..anyone?, thanks!

  by NotaNess in

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  2. friends

  hi, has there been any past topics or postings of this material in the wts materials?

  if so, where and if not, can your direct me or post something...thanks!

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  AlphaOmega: Those are obviously elaborate Apostate forgeries! You should be ashamed of yourself!

  Not technically. You see, I went back in time. I went to the1930s in America. I bought a printing press EXACTLY like the Watchtowers one. I printed off this book and buried them in a time capsule. The I came back to 2007. Once home, I dug up the capsule, took out the books and delivered them to second-hand bookshops throughout the world - with the express intention of deception! Oh yes... and it was me who is responsible for planting dinousaur bones to lend credance to evolution. On a slightly more serious not, I have the scan of the entire book. I can upload that if anyone likes - I think it's old enough to be public domain now.
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  Watchtower evidence that Beth Sarim WAS for the Return..anyone?, thanks!

  by NotaNess in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi, has there been any past topics or postings of this material in the wts materials?

  if so, where and if not, can your direct me or post something...thanks!

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  These pages are from the 1939 "Salvation" Book...

  These should help.

  

  

  
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  Two Questions...

  by AlphaOmega in

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  i need to draw on your collective jw knowledge here; i have two questions:.

  1. if satan is supposed to be the ruler of this world and jesus' arrived invisibly in 1914 to rule the world, surely only one is true.. 2. the "knocking" documentary put the dubs on television, does that make them "teledubbies" ?.

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  That would be a good question to ask a Witness. I'll have to remember that one for next time I get into conversation with one. Thanks