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Bill Cetnar's Jesus = Jehovah Chart

by AlphaOmega in

credits to mouthy and a very long string of coincidences for this .

sirona started a thread a while ago which stated that the bible says that jesus is god.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/135662/1.ashx.

AlphaOmega

In other words, this chart proves nothing but an impoverished vocabulary and conceptual scarcity.
These aren't persons in the concrete sense anyway. They are representational concepts writ large.
The referents aren't there to realities. Ostensible descriptions are impossible.

True, but then, doesn't that reduce the Bible down to "just words of limited value due to the innate failure of language to convey anything spiritual"? It is nearly impossible to describe that which we can only "feel". How do you describe a rainbow to a man who was born blind ?

Language fails, because it is limited, it is merely a verbal representation of "that which is". We can think 10,000 thoughts a second, but try getting them all out of your mouth at the same time.

Agreed, for those who don't hold the Bible as anthing more than "wishful thinking" or "uneducated man's attempt to answer the fundamental questions of life", they will find nothing of value here. To them, this may as well be a chart comparing the natures of Homer and Bart Simpson.

Anyway, I digress...

There are those who believe that the Bible is literally the word of God. This includes most Christians and all JWs, therefore this chart is an excellent "ready reckoner" for dialogue between the two parties about the thing that they have in common.

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Bill Cetnar's Jesus = Jehovah Chart

by AlphaOmega in

credits to mouthy and a very long string of coincidences for this .

sirona started a thread a while ago which stated that the bible says that jesus is god.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/135662/1.ashx.

AlphaOmega

Credits to MOUTHY and a very long string of coincidences for this

Sirona

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/135662/1.ashx

Ages ago, Mouthy pointed out to me in a PM that Bill Cetnar had arranged some of these into a chart on the back of his book, "Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses 'who love the truth' "

The book is excellent - get it if you can.

But for anyone who would like the chart, it is now here: http://i18.tinypic.com/63iogm0.jpg

The quality is much better if you right-click and save it to your computer, but for the sake of keeping the posts the correct width, I condensed it !

alt

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Advice needed.......

by fifi40 in

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i recently wrote a thread about my son who is being brought up in the jw religion by his dad, his dad and i share custody, so 4 or 5 nights of the week he stays with us............tonight i was taking him over to his dads (tuesday night meeting routine) and he was telling me about a school trip he is due to go on at then end of term..............he said his dad had filled in the medical consent form but had put no to the blood transfusion question...................i have been away for a couple of days and i usually get these forms first and i fill them in according to my beliefs not the governing body's...........anyway i said to him that if the school refused to allow him on the trip because of his dad saying no to blood i would do another form for him.............to which he replied that he wouldnt want me to and that his dad had said he would take him to alton towers (the theme park his year are going to) if the school declined to take him........ so where do i stand with this, does anyone know..............if my son required blood (he is a minor, 14) would my wishes over rule his fathers, would my wishes over rule my own son's (he is not baptised)???.

i also spoke with him about several other things, briefly summarised as.

1. just because you are taught something from birth does not mean it is right.. 2. i want him to check out things for himself thoroughly before he commits himself to the jws and i spoke to him about the consequences of getting baptised in relation to me and to any future thought changes he might make in the future.. 3. i told him jesus was not baptised until he was 30ish and that getting baptised in your late teens is probably not always the best idea.

AlphaOmega

Did you go to mediation at all ?

Do you have a written agreement between yourselves?

Do you and your ex still have the same GP practice? If not, who is your son registered with ?

I don't know if that carries any weight, but it's a thought...

Also, I am wondering whether the same ruling applies here in the UK as the CSA use, they generally only consider the parent who has their name on the "child benefit book" as the "resident parent".

Hope that helps a bit

AO

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Help on two questions, please.....

by Vernon Williams in

hey guys,.

if some of you have the time and resources, could you help me with two statements of the wt:.

somewhere...i only read these two ideas once....the society said two things:.

AlphaOmega

I get a kick out of the Witnesses' definition of "Christian". They told me that to be Christian, one had to "do" what Jesus did. So I asked a Witness one time if that meant to be a Christian, I had to be homeless, single, bearded, wear a bed sheet, walk or ride a jackass (instead of riding in a car), practice Jewish festivals, preach in the Synagogs, disrespect and expose Jehovah's organization, debate and challenge the elders, hang out with prostitutes and sinners, and don't go to ritual meetings.

Beautiful !

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NEW policy! NO LIT for EX-JWs!

by MinisterAmos in

it's official; they read the letter tonight that puts forth the new procedure.

if you find an expelled person in the field or are studying with one, you are no longer permitted to give them lit.

presumably the elders make a decision if an expelled one is regularly attending meetings, but only they can give them lit.

AlphaOmega

Where has the letter already been read out to the public? Only in the USA?
Who can post a copy of the letter?
Is the letter to all congregations worldwide or is it a local need in the USA?

Does anyone have a scanned copy of this letter yet ?

AO

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Matthew 24:14 fulfilled?? What the....

by Crooked Lumpy Vessel in

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recently i read a thread about a speaker at a special assembly announcing that this scripture had possibly been fulfilled.

cant remember his name.

now since this speaker was making this announcement on his own accord, what form of discipline was metted out to him?

AlphaOmega

It was by a Bethelite from last years Special Assembly Day.

His name was James Rayford

Try here...

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/127219/1.ashx

AO

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A good fake name for an author

by OnTheWayOut in

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if we were to suppose that someone who wants to remain anonymous were to be writing .

about the watchtower society or his/her lifestory,.

and if we were to suppose that this writing were to start off their new career as an author, .

AlphaOmega

John Wonwon

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A good fake name for an author

by OnTheWayOut in

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if we were to suppose that someone who wants to remain anonymous were to be writing .

about the watchtower society or his/her lifestory,.

and if we were to suppose that this writing were to start off their new career as an author, .

AlphaOmega

Sue Denim

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God does not want people with "talent"

by hamsterbait in

anybody remember that stinking comment in a 1950s witchtower, .

"it is difficult for the holy spirit to influence those with a colorful personality".

i guess they really mean it is harder for the babble and trick society to control them.. hb.

AlphaOmega

Edited by myself: Sometimes I give too much away !

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God does not want people with "talent"

by hamsterbait in

anybody remember that stinking comment in a 1950s witchtower, .

"it is difficult for the holy spirit to influence those with a colorful personality".

i guess they really mean it is harder for the babble and trick society to control them.. hb.

AlphaOmega

Could this have been actually an indirect reference to JUDGE RUTHERFORD?
If anyone in the Watchtower had a "colorful personality", it would certainly have been him!

That would fit with his "rainbow books".