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  True or False did the Watchtower Corporation create false doctrines intentionally to enhance the proliferation of their own publications ?

  by Finkelstein in

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  much as been revealed over the years to the date setting doctrines made by the wts.

  such as ( 1874, 1914, 1925 , 1975 this generation, the last days, the end times etc.... which were not created by other christian based faiths.. as to critically examine why might reveal a hidden agenda to all these date setting proclamations.. the point in question is did the wts and its leaders intentionally manipulate or exploit the preaching of the gospel to enhance the proliferation of their own printed publications ?.

  i would say convincingly yes, no question.

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  Good thread Finkelstein , I mean, Jesus Christ - if anybody reads the book " The Kingdom of the Cults " by Walter Martin it goes into the whole " Miracle Wheat " scam brought on by C.T. Russell and what a financial rip off it was. I remember hearing that my mom's dad, my grandpa, a non-JW warned my mom about not joining the Witnesses and warned her about C.T. Russell and " judge " Rutherford's shenanigan's in the early 1950's before my mom and dad became JW's while they were " studying " with JW's. Unfortunately- for our entire family my parents did not listen to my grandfather about not joining - and it's caused 65 years of a divided family with half being JW's and the other half of us not JW's. Untold misery. WT organization is nothing but a mind control cult - masquerading as a religion
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  True or False did the Watchtower Corporation create false doctrines intentionally to enhance the proliferation of their own publications ?

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  much as been revealed over the years to the date setting doctrines made by the wts.

  such as ( 1874, 1914, 1925 , 1975 this generation, the last days, the end times etc.... which were not created by other christian based faiths.. as to critically examine why might reveal a hidden agenda to all these date setting proclamations.. the point in question is did the wts and its leaders intentionally manipulate or exploit the preaching of the gospel to enhance the proliferation of their own printed publications ?.

  i would say convincingly yes, no question.

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  Side effect of Downsizing......$$$

  by Tech49 in

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  so here is a tidbit you will all just love!.

  we all are hearing of the trend right now to ¨downsize¨ the congregations...ie... eliminate by combining, in order to blah blah blah... .

  here is what you didnt know: every time a congregation is dissolved, for whatever reason, including merging or dispersing, wt makes money!

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  This is totally a money grab. It's the whole modus operandi of the WT Society nowadays. Someone here on the board just posted a letter from the WT Society to all the congregations regarding " donating " for the JW hurricane victims and it implicitly stated in the letters not to donate clothes, food, etc. - but to ONLY mark these donations as going to the " worldwide work " . I mean- how fucking brazen can they get ? Pretty obvious that there is no transparency these days ( really there never has been ) but especially now when the WT Society is looking at their " end " game and consolidating all 8 million JW's finances to bolster up their criminal organization after raking in a billion bucks or so from sales of the Brooklyn properties. Oh, I mean Crooklyn properties. Hey they have to pay off worldwide child abuse lawsuits and unwise investments somehow, right ? Why not make the JW parishioners pay for it ? Bastards. We knew this was coming. WT leaders have no ethics at all. They'll throw anybody under the bus to financially accommodate this organization.Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  spoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.

  several people speak out.

  if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.

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  Here's another take as I'm playing the Devil's advocate here. One of the protesters on the video mentioned seeing some JW lady crying in the kingdom hall , perhaps a couple JW's crying. O.K. So which one of us here is a mind reader who knows EXACTLY what these JW ladies were thinking as they were crying. None of us know EXACTLY what they were thinking- and that's the truth. It may have been these weeping JW's were experiencing cognizant dissonance and doubt and fear due to their indoctrination as JW's. Perhaps they were feeling a combination of ALL those emotions at one time. Which, yes - that can happen. Once again we don't know. It's not a case of " oh, these JW's were either feeling ALL this way, or ALL that way. " Perhaps some JW's who may have had doubts already got those doubts confirmed by these ex-JWs speaking out. And for those JW's who are still fanatic, deeply entrenched in their WT beliefs, it drove them deeper into their belief systems.

  Hey, you can't please everybody. Even if these Ex-JW's had pulled off a " perfect " protest - some here would still be bitching and disagreeing with tactics, motives, and effectiveness just purely based on the fact that they are " know it all's " in other aspects of their lives. O.K. End of my playing the Devil for now. Carry on , have a blast
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  Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  spoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.

  several people speak out.

  if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.

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  Unshackle the Chains - Totally agree.
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  November 3, 2017 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS IN THE US BRANCH Re: Update on Recent Natural Disasters

  by wifibandit in

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  november 3, 2017 to all congregations in the united states branch territory re: update on recent natural disasters.

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  Thanks for posting the link to this letter. Interesting, no word in that letter about assisting ' worldly ' victims- just our ' brothers and sisters ' . The first 2 paragraphs of self congratulations and patting their own collective WT backs and ego about how ' caring ' the WT Society is to only their own - reminds me of self congratulatory messages Donald Trump always tweets about himself. Makes me want to puke
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  A woman without a voice

  by SunnyOne026 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is my story in a nut-shell.

  i hope some of you can relate.

  if you can..i would love to hear from you.. i have been crushed and heartbroken more times than i can recount by a religion that claims to be based totally on love and mercy and most of that harm has come from the so called "shepherds" who or are supposed to lovingly take the stray lambs in their arms and lead them gently back to safety.

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  SUNNY- Welcome to the board. I'm really sorry you went through all those things you did. Please know that you are among friends here who will give you support. Many here have been through similar things and many of us have been hurt by this WT organization also. We feel you
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  Exjw activists protesting inside a Kingdom Hall today!

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  spoonfed nomore, has uploaded a video on his youtube site, of exjw activists protesting inside a kingdom hall during this sunday meeting.

  several people speak out.

  if some one can put a link on here that would be awesome, i can’t figure out how to do it with an i phone.

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  Although not the most effective way to get JW's to think - ( persecution complex aside yada, yada, ) I agree with Dubstepped that if just one or two JW's start researching the Internet from this aggressive approach, it will be two less mind controlled drones trapped for their entire life. And before you start berating me Morpheus AKA " For fuck sake , nobody was started to thinking over it " ! I suppose you think you can read the mind of every single JW sitting in the infernal kingdom hall - we never can tell just who this behavior might scare straight.

  That being said - I wouldn't do it, I tend to have more calm one on one conversations with JW's approaching them casually on the streets. I do admire the balls, the fortitude of these ex-JWs though. These are people who, like us, have been hurt extremely by this criminal WT organization and there is such a thing as ' freedom of speech ' . That being said, indeed it might do some harm than good, but it might help someone get shocked to their senses as well.

  I don't spend my time 24 /7 as an EX-JW activist, I have lots of other interests & hobbies, like running a business, doing my music, but I do occasionally speak up against the WT and JW cult informing people in random situations. Even have left news flyers on information boards at supermarkets .

  Whatever it takes to expose the WT Society for being corrupt is a good thing. WT is busy dishing out shit about us as Ex-JWs - so what are we all gonna do ? Be quiet and STFU ? If we are totally quiet- what the hell does THAT accomplish ? Nothing.

  I see this as not an " all or nothing " type of thing. Black and white thinking on this board permeates something fierce. It's either " all this way " or " all that way " - but life is full of gray areas . How about landing somewhere in the middle and us personally doing what we can to expose the evils of the WT Society in our own way ? Just my 2 cents. O.K. Let the bullets fly. I have my freaking armor on. lol. Didn't tell you I'm an extra on ' Game of Thrones " I can take it , pretty tough hombre.
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  What can the leadership at Watchtower do to turn things around?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's play devils advocate here.. put yourself in the governing body's shoes.

  they are well aware of all the issues they are facing.

  they know their numbers (they 'do the math' as they say in the us).

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  " What can the leadership at Watchtower do to turn things around ? "

  Nothing. Absolutely nothing. They've lied to all 8 million or so JW members for 138 years now that they'll allegedly " live forever " which is false and a rip off and a scam. The WT powers that be at the top seem more interested in taking the money and running away with it by demanding ownership of the kingdom halls and selling them off ! With evil, selfish, money grubbing , corrupt corporate WT leaders leading this organization- the only thing WT leaders are interested in is turning " around " the organization to suit there own financial interests. They don't give a damn about throwing 8 million JW's under the bus in any way, shape, or form. WT leaders are narcissistic , sociopath's and have no ethics whatsoever. It's all about the money
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  Hugh Hefner died a few weeks back but no post on it. Interesting.

  by Still Totally ADD in

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  i bring this up because like me i sure many of the men who was kids in the wt cult got their first taste of what a nude women looked like.

  it was the adolescent male sex education for most of us.

  one friend i had who's dad was a elder told me they always had playboys in his house because his dad subscribed to them.

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  STILL TOTALLY ADD- Good thread. Rest in peace Hugh Hefner. Although I feel that most extreme porn magazines devalue women by turning them into objects , which I feel is really classless and sad - at least Playboy over the years had articles that were on the cutting edge of journalism. Even articles that educated folks about sex. And yes, as a JW teenager growing up , the pictures of beautiful women definitely gave me an education about the female anatomy that I wouldn't have acquired from reading the WT or Awake magazines ! lol.

  But you are right- being raised by a strict elder dad myself , sex was always portrayed as " unclean " or " dirty " - I mean my elder dad infringed on my personal life at age 13 or 14 asking me if I had a problem with masturbation ! WTF ? Then he proceeded to read me this 6 page WT article titled " Breaking Free from Self Abuse " . And as I got older into my 20's I formed my own opinions that there was NOTHING abusive about masturbation at all ! It felt normal, good ! I mean even in that WT article it mentioned that 95 % of males on the planet and 65 % of females masturbated- so HOW in the hell could it be considered " abusive " ? It was NORMAL human behavior. And pictures from Playboy helped form a normal desire for beauty and intimacy with females - at least for me as a teenager. I certainly didn't get any sex education that was normal from Jehovah's Witnesses.

  And as I write this now as a male in my late 50's all I can say is that my sex life has been fulfilling and normal because I did NOT let the WT Society skew my views of truly how wonderful sex can be ! I' ve never felt inhibited or that sex is somehow " dirty " or " unspeakable " - it can be a beautiful experience between two consenting adults in expressing love or if not love , at least emotional closeness between two willing adult parties. I think the sad thing on our planet is how repressive organized religions have defined sex and unnecessarily made millions of people feel " guilt " over having sex. To me - that's the real crime regarding views of sex in our society. Hope this little " essay " is what you were looking for ! lol