The show that aired on Jan. 3rd was VERY revealing and exposing of the shunning , or the " disconnection " practice put forth by Scientologists towards friends or family that leave the church. It was disgusting that the Scientology church told this one Scientologist that he couldn't go to his deceased brothers funeral because his brother was ex-communicated from the church or a " suppressive " person. So the church even wants them to shun their relatives when they are dead ! Cannot show support even when they die ! Extremely disgusting and extremely like Jehovah's Witnesses. The comparisons are astounding. I felt so sorry for this Ex-Scientologist crying for his brother who died . The years he was disconnected from his brother who left the cult and died- can never be restored or lived again. Very sad. I highly recommend watching this show if you haven't seen it
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Anyone else watching the Leah Remini series "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath" on A&E?
by NikL inmy wife and i started to watch this last night and have covered only 2 episodes so far but it is really interesting.. there are so many similarities between scientology and wt.
not in beliefs of course but in their shunning, of their version of apostates etc.. it was amusing for me to see my active jw wife watch and get all indignant.
at one point a statement was made that a religion "shouldn't separate families" and she muttered to herself "absolutely not".. i am kind of hoping that jws will watch and see what is being carried on by a high control cult and eventually recognize it in their own lives.
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Girls are unpredictable, materialist, and use us, men, as a toy - Part 2
by will-be-apostate inwell here am i, a couple of years passed since my original post (link here), somewhat less mysoginistic, more open to relationships, heartbroken again.
this is an official "fuck my life" thread.. being chased by the elders makes one arrive at the conclusion that there is nothing better than not being chased by the elders.
i had a pre-jc meeting a week ago.
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Dude- Hey I'm sorry your heart was broke- but seriously dude- just as many men out in the real world use women up and leave them as well. The games men and women play using sex as a bargaining tool never ends. Some people use sex as a weapon to bash someone's brains apart ( emotionally ) - some people honestly have sex because they actually love and care for the person they are having sex with.
Just because a good number of ladies might be nice to you- doesn't mean they want sex with you- they may just actually want friendship without the balls hanging and croaking , spurting lizard my friend . As you get older and more experienced with female relationships I believe you'll understand that more so.
I had my heart broken several times as a younger man. NOW I'm in my 50's and a lot smarter regarding relationships- finally found a lady over 10 years ago who I clicked with. You'll find it too, just look at the shit you go through as learning experiences and you'll gradually get closer to what you want. Good luck, peace out, MR. Flipper
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Mom died, How and When I found out
by 3rdgen inhi friends,.
it's been awhile since i've been talkative.
thought i'd give you an account of my latest family dysfunction.. a brief backstory is that i am an only child whose parents were born in jw's.
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3RDGEN- Been out of town a few days and just saw this thread today. I'm so sorry for your loss as I lost my mom about a month ago as well. But I'm even more sorry that your mom was not there for you emotionally or in any other way. I can relate to your experience because my dad was exactly the same way. Nothing I ever did pleased him- just like your mom with you. The mental abuse we suffered in this criminal organization the JW's- is monstrous and nasty.
I found out from my son that apparently my JW brother, an elder, had not told his fellow JW's that he had a younger brother either. Because a " sister " asked my son " who are you " ? And he said " I'm Flipper's son, Flipper's the younger brother of the brother who gave the talk " and the JW lady said, " I didn't know he had a younger brother. " Then my older brother said in front of my son, " Oh yes, he's the " black sheep " of the family. " Nice " Christian " thing to say right ? Yet WHO was it that sat up all night the final 12 hours with my mom dying until her last breath ? Yep- the " black sheep " of the family.
Don't let the bastards grind you down my friend, most of those JW's are clueless, they have no heart and they are jealous of US because they realize they'll never have as much heart as we do. Don't worry about impressing them- they are not worth the effort. They are wolves and jackals. Hang in there, my wife and I are very sorry for your lost years with your mom. With love to you, sincerely, Mr. Flipper & Mrs. Flipper
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Santa Ana, Calif. News Report: Jehovah's Witness molested 4-5 girls
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag6ftvig9b8.
kacey montoya for channel 5.
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Thanks for posting this thread Barbara- and even yet the WT Society STILL supports thousands of child molesters within their congregations insisting elders not contact police until WT legal departments are informed of child abuse incidents. I'm quite sure most of the local JW's in this man's area learned of his child abuse crimes from watching the news on channel 5 - not from local elders. And THAT is one of the big problems- JW parents are constantly sitting in a kingdom hall with their children right along side a child molester- without even knowing it. That is dangerous shit. And another irresponsible evidence that the WT Society is indeed a criminal organization- protecting criminals
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What Was Your Favorite Kingdom Song?
by minimus infunny but for whatever reason, i can't stop singing walking in integrity from the old songbook!
it's in my head and in my opinion it was one of the few songs i really liked..
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None of them. They were horrid, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Honest Questions About Child Abuse
by Richard Oliver ini have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
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And here's the deal in an added thought about WT leaders doing mandatory background checks on potential elder appointees or ministerial servant appointees. Someone may say " Oh ! This would be too expensive to do these checks ! " And yet - WT Society has made over a Billion $$$$ on the sales of their New York facilities and even more selling off many kingdom halls - I think they have PLENTY of money to do these background checks. It would protect more children from child abuse AND it would lessen the need for paying out millions $$$ in out of court child abuse settlements .
Bottom line ? I feel WT leaders are too arrogant to do what I'm recommending. They'll never admit fault or admit negligence. They think THEY are God . Seriously
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Honest Questions About Child Abuse
by Richard Oliver ini have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
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O.K. Richard you want ACTUAL ideas on HOW to improve things with the WT Society's child abuse policies ? Let's try this : How about making it MANDATORY on WT leadership to do criminal BACKGROUND checks on EVERY male member who is being considered for appointment as an elder or ministerial servant ? THAT would show at least some kind of responsibility on the WT Society's part in taking an interest in WHO is taking the lead in their organization.
It would serve the twofold purpose of not only protecting the children from possible predators abusing their power - but - it would also limit the WT Society's financial liability with the tons of out of court child abuse lawsuit payouts they've been having to dole out due to their LACK of responsibility. This is a reasonable thought and request I believe to WT leaders. What do you think of that ? This is my view
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Honest Questions About Child Abuse
by Richard Oliver ini have two honest questions for everyone here.
i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.
but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.
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Folks- arguing with this guy is like pissing against the wind , beating your head against a brick wall, talking to an empty vacated mind with WT blinders wrapping that mind up with a warm , soft blanket so he can feel secure in his nice fuzzy WT / JW world and mindset . Don't we have people around here that really need our help and support ?
O.k. I've stated my views here. Happy New years everybody, including you Richard - wake up and open your mind and smell the WT coffee and writing on the wall for the criminal organization that IS Jehovah's Witnesses. Educate yourself
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Another One - UK JW pedophile faces deportation
by OrphanCrow inman faces deportation after fondling young boy he met through church.
(full article at link).
fiscal depute ross carvel had told the court that komorowski became friendly with the parents of the child as they were members of the same church and were jehovah’s witnesses.“they became concerned about the behaviour of komorowski when their son’s behaviour changed.
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" At the police interview, he said he knew what he had done was wrong but he DID NOT KNOW why he did it. " What a freak. Message to this child molester freak- maybe you did it because you are a disgusting pervert who abuses children in criminal ways ? Or is just mentally off ? Or both ? Ick. More of these child molester freaks need to be deported with a ball and chain around their neck and dumped in the middle of the ocean forever
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A Comforting Thought About Watchtower
by freemindfade inthis organization will never again be what it was by 2013-2014. .
they peaked in the form they were, i believe they were already falling apart in ways, but from the outside and to the majority r&f, things likely still seemed on the up and up.
browsing through the boards and just keeping my finger on the pulse of what's happening, this organization will never again be what it was.
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FREEMINDFADE- Hey my dear friend, how you doing ? My wife and I are watching every episode of Leah Remini and Mike Rinder's expose ' of Scientology and it's really riveting. Aside from the violence by David Miscavige against members you could cross out Scientology and put Jehovah's Witnesses in the place of the title.
The way the JW's keep their members busy with meetings, field service, JW computer shit - even some of the older JW's are getting tired out and frustrated by it. In calling some of my dad's friends telling them about my mom - I talked with one 69 year old JW I used to know in my former area and he expressed great frustration with the WT Society demanding so much from rank & file publishers. This guy used to be an elder- now he's just a ministerial servant because in his words, " the friends and the WT Society just expects TOO MUCH of you they DEMAND too much of you being an elder. " He said he couldn't take the stress of it anymore. He expressed anger over the WT Society demanding money by saying " all they want is more, more , more " . He said to me, " Flipper . I have a social services job and I don't make a lot of money- but the WT Society wants us to get the latest I-pads, tablets so as to study on jW.org. and I don't have the money to do it ! "
So these older JW's are breaking down physically, materially they are poorer , and they are getting browbeaten to do more, more, more. I can see in the next 5 to 10 years, we are going to start seeing people exiting at a faster rate than before if the " beatings " continue. Especially younger people who are computer savvy- they see through this shit, many of them. It will be interesting to watch. Have a great New Year Freemind ! Peace out, Uncle Flip .