Posts by flipper

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Please Switch Off Your Critical Thinking

by pale.emperor in

i have an uneasy feeling inside that something is coming this year or the next.

perhaps a new big announcement that turns jwdom on it's head.. we've seen the statement in the watchtower november 15th, 2013 which said:.

watchtower november 15th, 2013 - page 20, paragraph 17.. .

flipper

Great thread Pale Emperor - thanks for posting it. I agree with you that in so many different ways this direction from the WT Society leaders to JW's to turn off their critical thinking is extremely dangerous.

I feel the WT Society has already accomplished this objective by telling JW's to " donate to the worldwide fund or kingdom interests " . Like Freedom Rocks said at the top of the page, " Another option is GB telling everyone to sell everything they have and give it to the society and then they'll just disappear with the money . "

I do believe that's a more likely scenario because there's just no transparency whatsoever from the WT Society as to where and what exactly all these JW " donations " are being used for. " Worldwide fund or kingdom interests " could easily be used for the legal defense fund against lawsuits for JW child abuse lawsuits. And not one JW would be made aware of that.

Imagine you are a JW contributing funds for the Puerto Rico hurricane victims , and later unknown to you these funds are used to defend and protect the WT organization's child molesters. Or your funds are unknown to you- put in some offshore bank accounts for a rainy day fund on the Cayman Islands to protect the WT Society.

Deception has been a part of this WT organization since 1879. It's part of their mode of operation, not with just failed predictions of " end times " - but snake oil salesmen like C.T. Russell selling " miracle wheat " - which once again caused International Bible students to turn off their critical thinking. Unfortunately mind control cults are as old as the history of man. Governments, religions, marketing of those and of businesses - all zero in on the unsuspecting consumer who get's duped. Very sad, but it's reality. One reason threads like this are great- to make people aware and wake the hell up

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What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !

by flipper in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.

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flipper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a66kDp7R4yQ.

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Personal opinions spouted from the platform?

by purrpurr in

have you ever heard some brothers own ideas and opinions spouted from the platform?

perhaps off brand or crazy ones?

some that i've heard is:.

flipper

This experience wasn't from the platform - but an elder's wife told my mom when I was a young boy that she and her husband wouldn't go see the movie " The Sound of Music " because it had Catholic's in it. This was in the 1960's. My mom told this elders wife that her opinion was ridiculous and that she would see the movie as it didn't bother my mom one bit. My mom was such a kick ass lady- I really miss her. She stood up for her personal rights constantly. And she stood up for my rights all the way to the end of her life. Hell of a mom she was

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An elder with only one testicle

by stillin in

i happen to be one of very few people who know of this condition that the man has.

he had an accident several years ago with some power equipment.

leviticus 21:20 commands that no man present the bread at the temple with damaged testicles... so?.

flipper

We on this board had more testicles than all of them. We left the cult

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An elder with only one testicle

by stillin in

i happen to be one of very few people who know of this condition that the man has.

he had an accident several years ago with some power equipment.

leviticus 21:20 commands that no man present the bread at the temple with damaged testicles... so?.

flipper

Most elders I knew didn't have any testicles. They never had the balls to do the courageous right thing

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$5.5 Million to be transferred to World Wide Work from Assembly Hall fund

by Sour Grapes in

a letter was read tonight in our kingdom hall that the money that the circuits in the indianapolis area had in savings to build a new assembly hall will now be transferred to the www to build kingdom halls in lands where they are needed and a new assembly hall for us will not be built.. we had a beautiful assembly hall near downtown indy that was paid for.

it was sold a couple of years ago.

we were promised a new assembly hall to be built in southern ohio near the indiana border but they can kiss that goodbye now.

flipper

Bottom line is the WT Society is a dishonest money grabbing corporate organization that is only concerned about their financial viability and survival. If they have to rob Peter to pay Paul ( or rob their own JW members to pay child abuse lawsuits ) they'll do whatever it takes to accomplish that end. There is no conscience in WT leaders , the governing body, or anybody else in the upper level management of this WT organization. It's a criminal organization run by sociopathic individuals

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Personal opinions spouted from the platform?

by purrpurr in

have you ever heard some brothers own ideas and opinions spouted from the platform?

perhaps off brand or crazy ones?

some that i've heard is:.

flipper

Yeah, this was a really huge concern of mine years ago and pissed me off when I was a JW. I got sick and tired of hearing these " armchair quarterback " personal opinions by elders who thought they knew everything. And yes, very often some of these opinions would leak out through the microphone over the platform.

One of the stupidest ones I heard from an elder was this quote , " It would be better for a brother to have sex with a prostitute than to masturbate , because masturbation is selfish."

I mean, wow. The idiocy that I was an eyewitness to personally among elders while in that JW cult - I could write a freaking book. But the old expression is so true, especially about JW elders or even WT leaders themselves that " opinions are like assholes - everybody has one . " Glad I'm away from the JW madness

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change.org: Please sign a petition to California State Legislators - Please Introduce Draft Bill to Reform Clergy Privilege

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.change.org/p/california-state-legislators-please-introduce-draft-bill-to-reform-clergy-privilege?recruiter=855249424&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive.

hon.

california state senators and assembly members please introduce draft bill (rn 1803892) to reform california's clergy "penitent communication" privilege statutes to align with appellate court decisions by february 16, 2018.. since 2018 is an election year, this bill will help voters become more informed about politicians' positions on changing societal and institutional cultures by reforming california statutes to prevent child abuse or child sexual abuse, or civil statute of limitation reform in california in 2019.. this bill is intended to increase public safety, prevent abuse survivors from being re-traumatized in religious disciplinary meetings, prevent religious leaders from using "undue influence" to manipulate individuals and discourage reporting of abuse and neglect, and reduce court costs passing judgment on overly broad interpretations of clergy "penitential communication" privilege that attempt to shield a religion or clergy from not fulfilling their duty to report abuse and neglect in california.. thank you,.

flipper

OUTAHERE- May I ask exactly WHAT you find stupid about petitions being set out to inform the courts and public about the abuse of power and child abuse ? WTF ? Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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I feel like I am going crazy at times ...

by CovertsadJW in

good evening , .

i feel like i am going crazy - it’s so hard not being able to talk to the ones i love about how i really feel - meaning the “ truth “ is a big lie and a big waste of time.

it’s so weird - i can’t talk to my wife , or kids about how i really feel and it’s causing me probalms that i recognize.

flipper

COVERTS- Man, I really feel for you bro. When I started having doubts about JW's in my first marriage with my JW wife , my kids were 13, 11, and 10 , a little older than your kids , but not much. We separated not long after that. Then divorced. As others have said here- there is no easy way to play the pretend game. First off- it's unhealthy physically & emotionally on you, your mate, and our kids are smarter than we think- they can feel the tension in the family atmosphere.

That being said if you are hoping to stay with your wife and kids for the long haul , I suggest not discussing any JW topic with your wife or your wife's family. Anything you say can or will be used against you by the " court of judicial committee's " if you get my drift. I know one thing some folks have done on the board here is follow Steve Hassan's advice ( he's a cult exit counselor ) when we are stuck in a family of cult members and they take time to do lots of activities away from the kingdom hall with the family. Activities that have nothing to do with JW's, WT, or anything religious.

For instance - ask yourself, what hobbies or activities does your wife enjoy doing that has nothing to do with the Witnesses ? Does she enjoy shopping ? Going to movies ? Bicycling, walking, going to parks or nature walks with you and the kids ? Do either of you like music ? Going to an outdoor concert ? Even growing a vegetable garden in the back yard ? I'm grasping at straws here- but you get the point. Any activity that you can engage in with them that will take up your wife or your children's time and get them into thinking in terms of reality in the here and now can be a positive influence to their too narrow JW world views. It gets their mind thinking on other things than only JW things.

Just a suggestion buddy. Some have tried this and it has helped. All the while telling your wife and kids you love them and that you enjoy doing these things with them. If your wife is a hardcore JW , it probably won't get her out of the cult- but it will help make your existence and your relationship with her and the kids easier than just looking at it as a " good guy / bad guy " situation. You and your family could actually have some bonding doing non-JW activities ! Isn't that a hell of a concept ! ? lol.

I wish you the best of luck. If you ever want to chat, just PM me, I'd be glad to talk sometime with you

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What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !

by flipper in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.

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flipper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhAzLG3JkJg.