Thanks for the thread. I read Orwell's 1984 about 10 years ago ( been out of the JW's almost 14 years now ) but I've always wanted to read Animal Farm - but never did - yet. Thanks for the recommendation. Next time I'm near the old used book store in a small town I travel to with my business- I'll pick up a copy. Sounds very interesting- thanks for the push. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Re-read Animal Farm.
by The Rebel ini was one of many witness children, who studied this book in english literature class.. having re-read it as an adult it addressed so many issues i have with the organisation.
including maniputive control, the re-writing of history etc etc.
so many of the characters in the book, resembled characters i have known in the organisation.. boxer- loyalty without questioning.. squeler- a character who doesn't care about truth, and uses rhetoric of language to twist truth.. clover-who silently questions decisions, but stays loyal.. if your young, or old i would suggest reading this small book, by george orwell.
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Next weeks Watchtower. ' Who is leading God's people today'
by UnshackleTheChains innext weeks watchtower.
'who is leading god's people today' is quite incredible.
i am so looking forward to blondie's comments on this one.
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" Who is leading God's people today " ?
Uh, let me guess - The Slobbering Body and faithless slave ? Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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PBROW- You really are not informed at all I guess.
Your statement regarding JW's, " When their beliefs turn into actions that harm other people they will be held accountable in our justice system . "
That's a false statement on your part. The WT Society and even individual JW parents 99 % of the time are NOT held accountable for letting their children die from not getting blood transfusions. And regarding JW child abuse- it's ridiculous - most of the time WT appointed elders don't go to the police authorities to report the child molester. Most of the time it's handled " in-house " to avoid unpleasant media coverage in the normal, outside world.
If you read the Internet more you will read many, many stories of bloodguilt on the part of WT leaders NOT protecting their children OR their congregations members. They are constantly controlling them and throwing them under the bus. There is no excuse for it whatsoever
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Indeed, yes they are extreme to a huge degree. At the risk of sounding repetitious as many here have given their reasons for the WT Society being extreme- I'll give mine.
1. Top of the list for me - criminal child abuse policies. The hiding of and refusing to follow court orders of the United States superior courts in releasing database files of about 23,000 names of JW pedophiles to the courts - indicates they are extreme in choosing to be fined millions of $$$$$ rather than release information concerning JW members who have committed these child abuse crimes. WHAT and/or WHO are they hiding on that list that makes it so important to break the law not releasing it to courts ? And the policy of not allowing elders to report child abuse offenses to police until WT legal is notified- does NOT help child victims, it enables JW child molesters.
2. Not allowing JW's to receive life saving blood transfusions to save JW lives. Minor JW children have died because of idiotic JW parents following this idiotic WT Society policy. Who is responsible for these deaths ? Has the WT Society been held responsible or accountable by courts of law yet for thousands of JW deaths through the years of implementing this no blood policy ? Nope. It continues to happen each year.
3. Disfellowshipping and practice of shunning approved by the WT Society of not only DFed JW's but also the shunning of just inactive JW's. This polarizes familes, breaking up relationships, causing in many cases depression and suicide.
4. The not allowing of JW members to buy a political party card in Malawi , Africa in the 1960's and 1970's caused thousands of JW's to lose their lives. Yet hypocritically- the WT Society allowed Mexican JW's to sign up to serve in the military in order to get access to spreading the JW belief system into Mexico. who is responsible for the Malawi JW deaths ?
5. The preventing and disapproving of higher education in colleges for young JW's is disgusting on the WT Societies part. So JW members are left with many unused and dormant brain synapses in their minds which turn their brains into WT robotic marketing mush to be manipulated by any whim of teaching that the WT society leaders desire to implant. Another indication of a dangerous mind control cult.
So these are 5 major things off the top of my head that makes the WT Society and Jehovah's Witnesses extreme. the problem is : the WT Society does a really great marketing job or con job at manipulating the mass media on this planet trying to avoid the appearance of being extreme. WT leaders are very insidious about how they accomplish this - so that your normal Joe Blow or Mary sitting on their couch at home or just shopping in a grocery store do not realize just how dangerous or extreme the JW organization is. All the public sees are these " shiny, happy " people knocking on their door asking them " wouldn't you like to live forever in paradise with no more death and sickness " ? It disarms people to let their guard down and they don't realize what's hit them. A con game and a total unreality that JW's try to cram down their throats like a pill you want to regurgitate.
Until more WT Society crimes are exposed and spread in the mass media - especially in the United States - WT Society and JW's will get away with these extremist crimes and activities because the constitution in the United Stated OVER protects religious rights - even when it involves thousands of people being killed and damaged within those religions. Something to think about. Religion is the bane of all mankind
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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final
by OrphanCrow ini just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.
banned.
which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..
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I've read some of the many responses on here. I have mixed emotions about the Russia ban. On the one hand I agree as always - WT Society and Jehovah's Witnesses ARE a dangerous mind control cult which needs to be held accountable for it's unjust, illegal, and criminal actions. I wish this cult's leaders would be held responsible in EVERY country- including democratic, allegedly " free " countries.
However - the banning of Jehovah's witnesses within Russia and other places in the world only drives JW's back into being more defensive about claiming to have the " true " religion , and that THEY think it's proof of them being the " only " religion that follows Jesus due to being " persecuted " - in their opinion - for their beliefs. So it's a win-lose situation.
On one side of the argument it limits JW's power and influence in Russia- but on the other side of the argument it just empowers JW's deeper into their mind controlled state thinking they were " right " all along- that because the " governments " are out to get them- they are being persecuted like Jesus.
I really don't know WHAT the solution is to stopping the WT Society's view that it's leaders are " legends in their own minds " . I think about all we can do is to keep getting information out to the public about WT crimes or injustices committed within their own actions. Like the murdering of people with the " no blood " transfusion policy or the tolerating of thousands of pedophiles within their organization or the lack of transparency in it's child abuse policies. Many times- until an individual JW experiences these injustices personally from WT leaders or elders they used to trust- only then will they wake up to the bigger picture of corruption within the organization. Until that time- these mind controlled JW drones keep thinking only they have " the truth " and remain indoctrinated with tunnel vision. Difficult situation- anyway you slice it
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JW Double Standards and Hypocrisy in the Congregation!!!
by Christian Gutierrez ini am sure you have stories as well of elders being a hard ass on many, yet turning a blind eye to the 'sins' of their own family or close connections.
cheers everyone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gma1auaur2o.
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" There is more of a concern to carry out duties in the congregation than actually caring about the people in the congregation. "
Exactly, you nailed it. JW's are all about carrying out WT Society functions than showing real authentic love , or showing any personality traits resembling " the fruitages of the spirit " . It's about competition, envy, position, and manipulation of each other
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JW Double Standards and Hypocrisy in the Congregation!!!
by Christian Gutierrez ini am sure you have stories as well of elders being a hard ass on many, yet turning a blind eye to the 'sins' of their own family or close connections.
cheers everyone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gma1auaur2o.
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CHRISTIAN- Great thread, thanks for posting it. In my time in the JW organization from birth until my did 40's when I exited over 14 years ago- I saw this so many times in elders psychologically assaulting and being abusive to rank & file JW's - it was ridiculous. They treated me like I was on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list- I swear. They stalked me several years after I exited the Witnesses. It's a criminal organization that trains elders minds to be hypocritical, have double standards, and become " legends " in their own minds- abusing power.
If you get a chance - check out my other thread I posted on this similar topic :
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5702660080533504/idiocy-craziness-wt-society-appointed-elders.
Take care, enjoy freedom of mind
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Disfellowshipped people are dead people?
by snugglebunny inskimming though my iphone earlier today i came across a fb post - which i now can't find!.
basically it was a claim that a gb member had stated that associating with a disfellowshipped person was akin to sleeping next to a corpse.. so obviously i'm curious as to whether anyone else has come across this..
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I've even heard that comment from some of my own extended JW family members regarding myself. " Oh , Flipper is DEAD to us ! " It's so ridiculous. I'm alive and kickin' doin' the funky chicken from what I've noticed ! LOL.
All JW's want to look at us as this :
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I was Kidnapped!
by TerryWalstrom in__________________i was kidnapped today ____________.
a rainy day in ft. worth is bad news day for terry.
my elective transportation is 100% bicycle and i can get through just about all weather except rain.
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TERRY ! Good god man- didn't your mama teach you as a boy not to take rides with crinkly nosed, white haired bat shit crazy 70 something year old ladies - possible axe murderers ? Man- I'm glad to hear that you lost nothing but perhaps an hour out of your life ! At least she was a " docile " crazy. Dude- you are lucky, very fortunate. Naughty, naughty ! Don't take rides with strangers again . It's like a box of chocolates- you never know what the hell you're going to get . Take care my friend. Glad you are still with us ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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To those taking a stand and not attending the Memorial tonight
by doubtfull1799 ini salute you.
many of you, like me, are probably under enormous emotional pressure, whether from a lingering false sense of guilt from your indoctrination, whether from "invitations," and assumptions that you'll naturally be coming, or whether from outright emotional blackmail, even begging and pleading.
i am thinking of you whoever you are, all of you, even though i don't know you in person.
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I tip my hat to all who don't attend as well. It takes courage, self worth, and fortitude- especially if JW relatives or former friends try to " guilt " us into attending. I haven't attended in years as I cannot and will not support a criminal organization