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  Mouthy has Passed Away

  by Simon in

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  update on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.

  i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.

  - may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.

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  My wife and I just watched her granddaughter's video- brought tears to our eyes. What a beautiful human being this dear woman was. Reminds me of my 89 year old mom. We all loved you Mouthy and I'll always remember talking to you on the phone when you were connecting me with a member of the board here in order to assist them. You were a loving woman- and we'll miss you dearly. Rest in peace. My deepest condolences to Mouthy's family & grandchildren on your loss. Love, Mr. Flipper
  
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  Mouthy has Passed Away

  by Simon in

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  update on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.

  i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.

  - may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.

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  Grace was a wonderful person. Good that her family and friends were there with her.

  Thank you to her granddaughter for letting us know, and so sorry for your loss.

  Mrs. Flipper
  
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  Are you sad or angry?

  by raven in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  after exiting the org, i mean cult, how have each of you felt personally about the lies you had been taught, the hurt from feeling betrayed by these people, actual hopes of once believed false teachings, rose colored lenses of seemingly just and right doctrines that turned out to be a bunch of horse $#!+, the shunning of family and friends?

  right now i am going through the motions, i've just moved to a new home, which means hopefully no more elders searching for me at my previous address.. i can't help but feel sad though right now because of the fact that although i am not df'd ( maybe the elders will do it in absentia assuming i've been avoiding them and the 2 jc's they've invited me to as well as the last handwritten letter at my door before i moved ) my mom treats me as though i am dead to her, she says " i am living the life of a disfellowshipped person, and until i come back to jehovah this is how things will be because this was my choice to leave jehovah " ok i get it, but i don't- everyone has free will, so yes this was my choice but it is also her choice to shun me, especially after the "shun unrepentant wrongdoers" talk at the rc, funny how they come out with these talks to reel members back in.. she claims that she has an obligation to jehovah of which she promised to him after she was baptized not at 11, 13, or 17 ( young ages ) but fricken 26 years old.

  i absolutely hate this organization and everything that it is, it's taken away my family and most importantly my own mother.. i always thought that a mothers love was to be unconditional, but hers for me is only conditional.

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  RAVEN- Good thread ! Thanks for posting it . It is a drag to be shunned by our JW families to be sure- but after experiencing being shunned by my family for so long now- for me it's kind of a relief not to be around the crazy cult mentality they all have. I much prefer to hang out with my inactive or non-JW adult nieces, nephews and my son who is out of the cult.

  It's normal to feel anger at how unjustly we've been treated or sadness about being lied to as well. The longer I have been out I've turned that anger over to more progressive actions like telling people how criminal and insane the JW organization is. I talk to non-JW's and try to be proactive in exposing WT child abuse by leaving news printouts at grocery store community billboards and by doing this it helps me release some of my pent up anger in a way that might assist others to avoid joining the WT organization. I've even wrote songs about WT injustices and that helps me get the " lead " out of my system - so to speak- a release.

  I think you will find that in time a few years down the road you will be much more involved with your new activities in life and with time it might lessen the pain we receive from our JW relatives- it still hurts but we understand it more once we read information about mind control and see that it's NOT us it's THEM. They are the ones mentally ill . Just know that we are here for you as friends as a support for you. Hang in there, it gets better in time. You are newly exited from the cult so be easy on yourself and kind to yourself- taking care of yourself allowing yourself to feel any emotions you need to feel in order to heal. You aren't alone- we feel you. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
  
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  Are GB accountable for deaths for changing policy ?

  by Chook in

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  2. beliefs

  example blood factions, organ transplants.

  suicide from disfellowshipping , breaking up family's with old oral sex policy.

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  Great thread. I agree- the GB and WT leaders SHOULD be held accountable for deaths due to the " no blood " transfusion policy and the deaths in Malawi due to restricting JW's from buying a 25 cent political party card. But the problem is that the GB will NEVER take responsibility or accountability for anything they have done illegally or otherwise because they are unethical and criminal in nature. Just revisit the Internet and re-read the Gilbert Campos San Diego Superior Court situation of WT refusing to release child abuse documents to courts and refusing to let a GB member testify - thus standing in contempt of court while being fined millions of $$$$ for this behavior. It tells you all you need to know about WT leaders unwillingness to be held accountable for their actions.

  As regards to whether WT leaders will EVER take responsibility or be held accountable for their unjust actions- I've gone round and round with my 90 year old JW elder dad about this before. He says, " Well, I saw elders act unjustly over the years and I just made sure I followed the Bible's directions , Jehovah will remove those elders and take care of it in time. " I told him, " Dad, I've seen unjust elders stay in positions of authority for 30 or 40 years who NEVER get removed or disciplined for their behavior and even died while still having those positions and were never reprimanded for their conduct. Nobody does ANYTHING to remove them. " Then he just goes silent on me. What can he say ? He knows I'm correct but doesn't want to admit it. Same thing with WT leaders- they refuse to admit any responsibility or accountability for their actions.

  That's how sociopath' s act. WT leaders are a bunch of narcissistic, sociopathic assholes who will never admit to accountability until the long arm of the law or the federal government steps in and forces them to comply - or go to prison. Kind of my take in a nutshell
  
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  Sunday Tv - Jehovah's Witnesses Paedophilia in Australia

  by berrygerry in

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  2. child-abuse

  if only someone had listened back then!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy8b22hs9me.

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  This is a brilliant report. Great investigative report. Thanks for posting. WT Society is a criminal organization run by criminals- protecting child molesters. Sick
  
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  What Songs Best Fit you when you learned TATT and Afterwards?

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  the work of john lennon best fit my situation.

  first, i found out.

  i found out.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK5WLq4pBFg .
  
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  Help Please - Finding It Hard Adjusting To The Real World

  by pale.emperor in

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  2. experiences

  im asking for you guys help in a phase im going through right now.

  im sure it’ll pass but id appreciate your advice..

  born in, my family consists of mum, dad, two brothers and two sisters.

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  PALE EMPEROR - I totally get and understand what you're going through. I too was a "born-in " JW from birth and didn't exit until age 44 about 13 years ago in 2003. You and me and others here were raised and indoctrinated to feel unnecessary GUILT and FEAR in our views towards EVERYTHING that's not WT or JW approved. WT Society worked hard to rip our self esteem from us as humans through the use of these GUILT and FEAR tactics - so it takes effort on our part to reestablish our personal self esteem. Which helps us proceed in a positive way in most things in real life needed to lead a normal, sane life. So what you are feeling is normal for someone coming out of a strong, controlling mind control cult - yet it takes work and effort on your part, my part, and re-educating ourselves after leaving the Witnesses in order to understand HOW the WT Society controlled us and to learn HOW to break free and start a new, happy life for ourselves. In time experience helps, but we have to re-educate our brain neurotransmitters with different information in order to get rid of the harmful WT indoctrination and way of thinking.

  At 31 years of age you still have lots of time to get that medical degree you wanted and lots of time to pursue hobbies and interests you have as an authentic Non-JW human. I highly recommend reading Steve Hassan's 3 books on mind control and how it affected us in order to understand how to move on from it : his website is www.freedomofmind.com.

  There is no reason to berate yourself, put yourself down anymore , or to think that your life is over. In actuality and truth - your life has just begun my friend. I mean, I'm almost 57 years old and hadn't picked up or played a guitar- ever until 5 years ago at age 52 . Now I've written almost 60 songs and am pursuing making music like I always wanted to in my teen years as a JW - but wasn't allowed the time to do so. You now HAVE the rest of your life to pursue any dreams you desire in a positive way if you wish ! I know it's cliché - but today IS the first day of the rest of your life my friend. Think about it - seriously- don't put limits on yourself- embrace the positive changes in your life and eliminate the negative influences ! WE are here for you as a support and friendship too- take care, best of luck to you ! Peace out, mr. Flipper
  
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  My Guitar, My Friend

  by Tallon in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  one of my interests is music and i play an acoustic guitar.. i wrote a poem about my guitar and thought i'd share it with you.

  my poem doesn't match up to some of compound complex's work however, i'd really appreciate any feedback you can give.. my guitar my friend.

  reaching for my old companion.

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  TALLON- Nice poem about your guitar. Very nice. My main guitar is a Yamaha steel string from the early 1970's. Has a sweet sound to it. Music is a healer and in writing songs I've also discovered much healing as well within myself. There's nothing like just picking and strumming and experimenting around with different chords until you find a cool combination of chords that brings that healing sound. It's like when it hits you know !

  Like having an " aha " moment ! Coolest feeling ever. Keep on playing everybody ! Enjoy ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
  
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  2016 RC & my family

  by BeautifulMind in

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  i hope you are all well.

  i haven't posted in a little while.

  i've just been adjusting and enjoying my new life outside of the org.

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  BEAUTIFUL MIND- You really handled that well, very well indeed. Good job. The thing that's not fair is that our JW relatives expect us to respect THEIR rights to believe as they want- but they don't respect OUR rights to believe as we want. In fact - JW's don't recognize personal boundaries at all actually - they are just drilling us with intrusive questions in order to get the " goods " on us in order to judge us according to our answers to their questions.

  It will be your mother in laws loss if she shuns you guys and her own grandchildren. You did well to stand your ground to her. Now about all you can do from this point forward is try to avoid getting caught up in what I call her " bear trapper " behavior where she tries to get you to reveal too much and then she brings the ax down on your relationship by shunning you guys. Now that she knows you and your husband's position, and you've stated your views - if she talks again try to just stay on family topics and non-JW topics about health, weather, hobbies, entertainment- otherwise I think it will just increase the tension in the situation . Keep telling her that you guys love her unconditionally and that will never change. Perhaps in her own mind she'll think about that- even if due to pride she won't admit it to you out loud. Gives her something to reflect on compared to how SHE is being hard lined towards you and your husband. I wish you the best of luck. Hang in there I have JW relatives in my extended family as well- I know it's not easy dealing with them. We are here for you. take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
  
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  Elders and Attendants sing, clap and turn backs on Street Preacher after Duluth RC.

  by ToesUp in

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  2. experiences

  very strange behavior by the attendants and elders after the duluth, ga, rc.

  on the first link the attendants start to exit the arena, then line up and turn their backs on the street preachers.

  (around the 6:00 mark).. elders and attendants after duluth rc.

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  This is hilarious - and disturbing in many different ways all at the same time. I mean the problem is that the maker of this you tube is as crazy as the JW's singing ! If this guy or somebody else would just shoot a video of him talking with JW's about the WT criminal child abuse with different JW's exiting the convention WITHOUT bringing up religious differences - then perhaps it would expose WT for what it's really doing - even controlling JW's minds regarding criminal conduct. But to go into attack mode and raise a ruckus loudly just puts all the JW's in defense mode.

  It was pretty weird of the JW attendants and JW men to form this long line while singing kingdom songs. Whose freaking idea was that ? Did they get a C.O. to back that up ? Or WT legal ? WTF ? You would think if the JW's were that upset about this rebel rouser - that they would call the police and get him for disturbing the peace ! Oh- That's right, I forgot- JW's don't believe in reporting things to the police or " Caesars law " - they like taking the law into their own hands- thus the singing. I.e. " child abuse non-reporting " " Gives Jehovah a bad name " . I wish there were news camera crews there to put this on local news. I swear these people are getting crazier and crazier