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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

flipper

" They would have been much smarter to just clean house and get rid of the pedophiles."

Yeah, I agree with you, too late for that. If WT leaders had tried to get rid of the pedophiles- then they would have had to get rid of themselves. Jaracz, Greenlees, Chitty just to name several WT leaders who were - allegedly- pedophiles - the problem starts at the top of this WT organization - thus the lack of action trying to rid itself of child molesters.

If we wrap our minds around the fact that Ted Jaracz was the MAIN voice against the child abuse articles being printed in the early 1990's Awake magazine- he and Lloyd Barry actually fought verbally over whether those articles should be printed - naturally Lloyd Barry another GB member prevailed and got those articles printed- but not without Ted Jaracz throwing a shit fit first. And WHY do you suppose Jaracz threw a shit fit ? I'll let you figure it out. It's just absolutely a criminal organization from the top down. The sooner everybody gets that in their heads - the sooner the illusion of WT leaders superiority will disappear into the wind

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Musicians Who Died in the Last Year - or Through the Years- Who Do you Miss Most ?

by flipper in

i think for me in the last year the death of david bowie got to me the most.

not only in the way he handled his demise so classy by even making a song about it and a you tube about dying and sharing it with fans, but just his whole persona i always thought was pretty cool.

plus i enjoyed a good many of his songs.

flipper

Some of you mentioned Richard Wright of Pink Floyd, John Bonham of Led Zeppelin, and Glenn Frey . Very true- all of these musicians deaths deeply affected me as well. I don't think David Gilmour will ever get over losing his close friend Floyd keyboardist Richard Wright. Gilmour has already written a couple songs dedicated to his former bandmate. And what can we say about John Bonham's loss ? It caused Zeppelin to disband- they just couldn't continue without him. And Led Zeppelin has always been one of my favorite bands up there with the Beatles. And Glenn Frey was in many ways the heart and soul of the Eagles , he was kind of the glue that held their tumultuous group together through the years. More likeable in my opinion than Don Henley. I mean personality wise- not necessarily music wise.

It just makes you wonder how much more great music these artists would have contributed ? I'm sure it would have been immense. Thanks for all your responses ! Keep em ' coming ! Have a great 4th of July weekend ! Peace out, mr. Flipper

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Elder who taught at private school for JWs accused of abuse

by Robo Bobo in

http://www.presstelegram.com/article/lb/20160630/news/160639983.

note: southwestern longview was a private school that catered to witness children.

buena park – a south carolina man who worked as a teacher at a private school in long beach a decade ago has been arrested by buena park police officers on suspicion of the “continuous sexual abuse of a child” who was a student of his, authorities said today.. jason gorski of fort mill, 43, was arrested on june 21, said buena park police sgt.

flipper

Once again this same story can be and has been repeated thousands of times within the Jehovah's Witnesses organization - WT Society handles these child abuse cases " in-house " many times refusing to go to the police authorities - so then assholes like this elder can continue molesting more children even though the congregation may have " deleted " him as an elder . WTF good does THAT do ? It just emboldens and enables child molesters like this guy to just move across the country if the heat gets too hot on him- so he can re-invent himself posing as allegedly a " good guy " in South Carolina and then secretly start molesting new victims ! It's absolutely disgusting the criminal negligence shown by the WT Society and it's appointed elders.

The ridiculousness and arrogance of it all is this : WT Society looks upon itself as judge, jury, AND executioner when it comes to pedophiles within their own congregations. WT Society does NOT recognize the authority of any courts to decide the fate of JW child molesters. Otherwise they'd totally cooperate with handing over documents that were requested by the San Diego superior court regarding WT child abuse policies and the database list of JW pedophiles.

WT Society will never render any just decisions regarding JW child molesters because WT leaders are too concerned with financial liability and fallout concerning what they owe the victims. WT leaders don't give a damn about the emotional or mental welfare of JW victims of child abuse- they just have concern over how it looks to the outside media and how many millions of $$$$ they'll have to pay. It's a cold, heartless organization run by a bunch of criminals . Period mark, exclamation point

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What Music have you Been Listening to this Last Year ? Post You tubes if you Like !

by flipper in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktxjuyiat4.

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flipper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKTXJUYiAT4.

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Musicians Who Died in the Last Year - or Through the Years- Who Do you Miss Most ?

by flipper in

i think for me in the last year the death of david bowie got to me the most.

not only in the way he handled his demise so classy by even making a song about it and a you tube about dying and sharing it with fans, but just his whole persona i always thought was pretty cool.

plus i enjoyed a good many of his songs.

flipper

I think for me in the last year the death of David Bowie got to me the most. Not only in the way he handled his demise so classy by even making a song about it and a you tube about dying and sharing it with fans, but just his whole persona I always thought was pretty cool. Plus I enjoyed a good many of his songs.

Through the years for me the deaths of these artists saddened me as I'd always hoped to see more new music from them : Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison of the Doors, John Lennon, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Frank Zappa also Nick Webb of the guitar group Acoustic Alchemy.

These are some of the musicians who really influenced my life. How about you ? Who among musicians do you miss the most ? Please feel free to post any you tubes of them playing songs or performing ! Or any of their music ! Make it a testament to these great artists ! Thanks, take care, Peace & love, Mr. Flipper

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So Are Inactives officially SHUNNED?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i've read here that inactives are the same as disfellowshipped, treatment wise.

is that correct or did i misread it??

thanks......

flipper

PHIZZY hit on a really good point. " The fact that the GB/Leaders of JW org. would love to see " inactives " totally shunned , as we are the group most likely to plant seeds of discontent and doubt. "

Exactly. There's the point. GB doesn't have to worry as much about DFed JW's as many active JW's will follow instructions and shun DFed ones- but in many JW's minds they categorize " inactive " JW's as still acceptable to associate with. So if at these assemblies the WT leaders can manipulate the information through dramas and even HINT that associating with " inactive " ones is as dangerous as associating with DFed ones - then WT leaders will have accomplished their purpose of trying to stop " inactive " JW's from causing what they term " planting seeds of discontent and doubt " .

A very insidious trick on the GB's part, but one that many times successfully works when used with mind control tactics towards JW's. So we as ex-JW's who aren't DFed may have to be prepared to deal with this treatment as it appears some here are already getting stiffer treatment from JW relatives.

But we STILL have the Internet on our side to expose this evil cult. Need to keep that in mind. Access to information in news releases we leave on billboards at stores about articles on the Internet deflects attention from us to the Internet. It's like the old expression, " don't shoot the messenger "

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

flipper

STUCKINARUT- You make a really good point. " The longer they string this out, the more guilty they just appear. "

Exactly. And WT leaders are SO arrogant, SO full of themselves - that they misapply scriptures thinking that they are obeying " God " by NOT turning over child abuse records to the courts ! That's how screwed up their thinking is feeling that God actually WANTS them to hide criminal child abuse records so a " worldly " court won't prosecute them !

Their thinking is SO skewed to the point that they think that ONLY " Jehovah " can judge them about anything - that " worldly " courts don't have the right to judge them concerning even crimes ! And yet in reality " Jehovah " will never judge them about anything as He most probably doesn't exist- so WT leaders knowing this perhaps in the back of their minds feel , " well, hell - Jehovah hasn't brought Armageddon, so we'll just stall the courts and authorities and we'll use the marketing ploy to JW's that the " worldly courts " are persecuting us just like they did Jesus and the apostles , and most JW's will believe us and sympathize with our plight of " persecution " by the courts ! " .

WT leaders are SO underhanded that as some have mentioned here- that is exactly what they are doing here. Using the assembly " bunker videos " to mentally prepare JW's for when the shit comes down in the media with stiffer penalties for hiding child abuse inside Jehovah's Witnesses. Talk about desperation ! But WT Society has pulled this deceit over before on it's followers in Rutherford's time when those WT leaders went to prison playing the " persecution card " - I imagine they feel they will pull it off again. The thing that's different now- is due to the Internet - MORE access to information than in 1918 so no one can hide under a rock anymore. This is beginning to get really interesting. I think we haven't seen the most exciting part of this " reality movie " yet ! Stay tuned

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

flipper

TIME BANDIT- I dig it. Totally agree that's what should happen to the GB. And throw in a few hardened long time male prisoners from various prisons as well . It would be one party the GB would never forget

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Today's Text - Fear Mongering, Great Tribulation, & New Light!

by Divergent in

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friends

a stupid text which raises many questions -.

sunday, june 26. there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.—matt.

24:21.. the earthly part of jehovah’s organization is moving ahead in various ways.

flipper

" Jehovah's organization is moving ahead in various ways. For instance, our understanding of Bible truth is constantly becoming clearer . " Uh-huh. Like how Jesus meant TWO overlapping generations of 75 years each in the alleged " last days " or " time of the end " ? Instead of the dictionary definition of a generation meaning 25 - 30 years ? You mean THAT " bible truth " ?

So " spiritual progress " is based on reading WT publications ? Errant ones at that ? Not based on being a " good person " or showing the " fruitages of the spirit " ? Yep. Sounds like the organization I used to be in, one reason I left

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

flipper

I agree with what Dunedain says. We can have an effect on getting the word out about child abuse within the WT Society. Leaving printouts about it on grocery store billboards works very well. Low risk, and people start tearing off JWFacts.com tear off sheets to check it out on the Internet. I've been doing that as well as lots of other people on the board here. And people ARE tearing off the sheets and checking this information out. Public needs to know. Peace out, Mr. flipper