Posts by flipper

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Their delusion run-ith over in today WT study rag mag.

by Crazyguy in

i noticed that in paragraph 13 they mention the girl sheryl that i believe was the same girl that was in their video about the typhoon that hit the philippines back in 2013. they talk as if she's so happy and thankful to jehovah even mention that she lost most of her family in that typhoon.

what they don't mention was her family members that were killed in that typhoon were inside a kh thinking they were going to be protected by jehovah since they were in gods house and his people and all.

they also fail to mention that the government authorities were telling people to get out of town but the elders were most likely telling the people in their congregations to stick around and just come to the hall.

flipper

I haven't read the article - which I don't anymore after being out over 11 years - but here's another thought I have - How come " Jehovah " didn't protect all of those old Bethelites from dying who were on the cover of the 1984 WT which claimed " Millions Now Living Will Never Die " ? All of them are DEAD now. Where's the alleged " Paradise " ? Are they serving as alleged " Kings and Priests " in heaven ? No. Personally I think they are just disintegrating in their graves as worm food. Once again WT Society cannot deliver on the promise that God allegedly " protects " people. It's an untruth, it's a fallacy, and it's delusional.

It's a tragedy that the young lady in the opening thread lost her parents in death to the typhoon- but how was SHE any more special than her PARENTS were that God would allegedly protect HER and not her parents ? She's NOT more special - she was lucky . It was a random thing that she survived and her parents did not. This whole thing of God protecting some and letting others die is just plain stupid and superstitious

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

OTWO- Also, forgot to mention that in reality if you follow the paper trail- the WT Society receiving ALL of those donations - if you look at it from where the money CAME from- it's really NOT even the WT corporation's money paying out these lawsuits- these abuse suits are being paid out on the backs of rank & file JW's hard earned money in their personal lives. Point is the WT Society leaders are snake oil salesmen who promise security for JW's - but are swindling them out of their finances through donations.

So I still get your point , which is correct , WT pays it out of the corporate money- but originally WT money comes to them without WT corporate earning ANY of it. I guess that's the point I was making. Now I've probably confused the situation more ? LOL ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

ON THE WAY OUT- Yeah, I knew what you meant in your post. It's not the GB 's personal money it comes from the WT corporation. GB members would NEVER pay out any money to victims - ever. But I hope the day comes that when GB members refuse to give testimony or refuse to hand over documentation - that the WT Society gets a stiffer penalty than just monetary payouts. I hope these fools get thrown into prison sometime. But then they'd just spin it to the rank & file that they are being " persecuted " . That being said- WT leaders still should be thrown into prison for criminal liability for not only the child abuse issues- also thousands dying from no blood transfusions. They are blood guilty

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Are Jehovah's Witnesses ever "good enough", must they remain anxious and fragile for fear they will not be saved by their works?

by Trailer Park Pioneer in

as a jehovah's witness you know you can never do enough without hearing stories of another witness doing twice what your doing and living off half the money your living on because they give all their time and money to the watchtower.

this is totally bunk, reading romans 7:21-24 paul knew his condition was hopeless without the free gift from god.

paul put all his emphasis on jesus christ, not some self-appointed apostles whose proof offered up is over 150 years of failed prophecy!

flipper

No, in the WT Society's eyes- Jehovah's Witnesses are NEVER good enough. They take quite literally the scripture to " work out your salvation with FEAR and TREMBLING. " But WT leaders mean that the FEAR and TREMBLING should be about fearing THEM , the Governing Body- not God

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More Child Abuse Issues in today's Sunday Times

by snugglebunny in

there's several letters from readers published today.

there's also mention of another abuse - shunning.

i can't locate the letters on the sunday times website, can someone else have a go?

flipper

SNUGGLEBUNNY- Thanks for posting this. I can read your picture just fine. It's an important message that needs to get out. In the one article it states that there has been " 27 Jehovah's Witness child abuse convictions in the last 4 years in the U.K. ". And the United States number will be going up in the next few years as well. Word needs to get out about the WT Society's horrid child abuse policies. Good job

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A "body of elders" or really one main guy?

by Simon in

the wts promotes the idea of congregations being managed by a body or elders who all follow their rules and so are in full agreement with how things should be done.. was your hall like this?.

out hall was a constant battlefield for power between a couple of elders and their families - relatives that had been promoted to various positions.

it wasn't some hidden secret, it was blatant and obvious.

flipper

The 44 years from birth that I attended congregations until my exit at age 44 in 2003- I noticed many times, in fact most of the congregations I was in had one elder who dominated over the others. He'd be more outspoken and just kind of seize the power and the other elders kind of fell along like good little sheeple never questioning him. And that particular elder would be given more respect mainly due to his history of having either been in higher up positions such as fill-in Circuit Overseers or had served at Bethel, or had actually been a former Circuit Overseer. Or because he had a long history of giving Circuit or District assembly parts or talks.

My dad was City Overseer for over 30 years and people stumbled all over themselves to appease him. Many people actually walked in fear of my dad- because of his stern appearing, strict demeanor. I didn't walk in fear of my dad though- I saw through the veneer. He was as human as the next person. Made lots of mistakes and was very human- even lost his City Overseer slot and eldership for awhile.

It's probably one reason my dad and I don't get along even now that he's well into his 80's - he still treats my mom like a " lesser vessel " and not respectfully. I saw many elders who thought that they were legends in their own minds- and it showed how they dominated over their fellow elders. And for some of these " stars " it transferred into their home life towards their wives and children. Very sad

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

ON THE WAY OUT- Good points you bring out. It ISN"T the WT 's personal money to pay out. They've received most all of that money from JW contributions. And you are correct- I'm sure there are many stories that have been shared back and forth between higher ups as WT officials discuss child abuse cases they've heard that involve C.O.'s D.O.'s or other JW's in appointed positions. And what happens ? Many times these cases either get buried or go nowhere. At least NOT to the police where they should go.

TOES UP- They ARE hypocrites as you state. And yes, they do NOT want to open a Pandora's Box as that is exactly what will happen when they hand over the WT database file to courts. So WT leaders will continue to fight tooth and nail against doing this. That's what criminals do- try to outwit the justice system. WT will get theirs in the end though

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

VIDIOT- I agree- I think in time Karma is going to catch up with WT leaders. They can't hide forever. The skeletons are in the process of gradually spilling out of the closet and it doesn't smell good. Like a stinky skunk- something's rotten in Denmark.

SCARY 21- WT Society is really good at breaking their own rules- then making new " rules " up along the way to suit their financial goals. Very convenient. But criminal as well many times.

KANON- Interesting quote from Richard Ashe you provided. I was especially intrigued by this statement, " It is not wise for one to indiscriminately divulge ones past bad experiences to others in the congregation, nor to get together with others for what SOME view as group therapy . " Wow, just incredible. No, no need for child abuse victims to receive comfort in some kind of " group therapy " - right ? The arrogance and inhumane lack of empathy towards child abuse victims is outlandish and barbaric from WT leaders. To WT leaders it's more important to silence child abuse victims and put duct tape on their mouths so as to not expose WT Society liability. Just disgusting .

VIOLIAS- Good points you bring out. In time the WT Society is going to screw so many people out of their money- that a day of reckoning will come raining down on them in a big way- perhaps like you said Al Capone style. You can only criminally extort enough money out of so many victims and make money off of their misfortunes or being duped or deceived for so long. I'm glad you spoke your mind to the elders in the 1980's , your predictions are coming true- WT Society is being exposed more and more.

KARTER- Good points you make. The WT Society feels they have SO much authority over people- that they feel they can even dominate non-JW householders out in the territory ! If I was a non-JW father out living in my home with minor children- I would NOT want a former child molester or current child molester calling at my house ! I'd report it to child protection services or call the police IF I knew. But that's the problem - no non -JW parent knows WHO is calling at their door. A pedophile can act in secrecy due to the WT Society's secret child abuse policies and no one is ever informed who is a molester and who is not. Pretty sick stuff.

MISGUIDED- I'm so sorry that your children's grandfather tortured your ex-husbands family with committing these crimes against so many family victims. Just disgusting. Reading your post made me shiver it's so creepy. The criminality of the WT Society is so deeply imbedded within the WT organization that there are thousands of stories just like your children's grandfather where the sexual abuse lasted for years and 20 to 30 or more years goes by- without any justice or bringing the abuser to justice by being arrested for his crimes. WT organization IS a criminal organization. It's time for a day of reckoning. WT needs to be brought down for it's criminal activity.

DEFENDER of TRUTH- Thanks for the link to Barbara's website. If anybody can get the word out to the media- she can.

EYEUSE2BADUB- Wow. What a perfect example of how irresponsible the WT Society is in re-appointing these child molesters back to elder positions ! So this elder got used to give talks at District Conventions ? Incredible. And probably even though SOME JW's knew of his past child abuses he committed- I bet a lot of them did not. Amazing how the WT Society keeps appointing these child molesters and continues to shoot themselves in the foot. Well, the old expression " it takes one to know one " - probably lots of higher up WT child molesters so they feel if one more gets appointed as elder it's no big deal to their minds and viewpoint. It needs to continue being exposed that WT continues to appoint child molesters as elders. Keep the comments on this thread coming. Any OTHER experiences out there that you folks know of ? Thanks in advance for all of your comments

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

Been working for a few days out of town so thanks for all of your comments ! Some really great comments here by the way ! I'll answer page 3 responders after I respond to the last comment on page 2.

TRUTHSEEKERIAM- I agree with you about being upset that WT Society doesn't change their child abuse policies. It pisses me the hell off as well. I've got two JW daughters in their mid to late 20's who might start having children sometime soon- and as a potential grandfather- I feel VERY concerned that my grandchildren's safety will be endangered and minimized within that organization.

It's true that the WT Society is going to continue to deny, deny, deny this child abuse problem. And the reason ? In my opinion the reason the WT Society will NOT release documentation of child abuse problems to the courts is because there are many higher ups GB members and otherwise who are involved in child abuse or committing these crimes and if the Database file was produced in the courts - it would expose SO much child abuse at upper WT power levels that it would sink the WT corporation. So WT Society would rather pay out millions $$$ in lawsuits than to risk exposure of ALL their dirty child abuse laundry coming out.

As long as the GB and WT leaders have enough of the 8 million JW's donating estates, wills, money, life insurance policies, etc. to the WT pedophile fund - and as long as the WT Society keeps up it's land grab of all the kingdom halls on this planet- WT leaders probably feel they'll have enough incoming money to stay silent on what they REALLY know concerning WT child abuse within the Database files. It's disgusting, but it's how they justify it within their criminal minds. My 2 cents

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Cheers to all! I'm in the house now! Finally signed up.

by Lifeisfun in

hi readers and lurkers, .

i decided it was time to register to the site.

after all these years, it was just a matter of time.

flipper

LIFEISFUN- Nice to have you here welcome indeed ! We are here as a support to you. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper