How about ? No, nothing, none whatsoever
flipper
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Is there anything about the JW's you still like?
by donny insome jw's on various postingshave asked me was there anything about the jw's i still agree with.
of course there are some things i agree with and some i partially do.
1. political involvement - while i do not agree with totally avoiding anything associated with politics, i agree that many of todays churches are way too involved in trying to sway their constituents beliefs.
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how many of you are parents of adult children who still follow the wt and think you are misled?
by sowhatnow inwhat have you done so far as to convince them they are misled?
what has worked for you.. it is inconceivable to me, that if my mother or father showed me proof of why the wt org is false, that i wouldn't take them seriously, after all they are older and should know better, but it seems there are some of you who have the opposite outcome, where your children think you are misled and senile, and grandparents are surely labeled as senile.
one would reason then, if this were truly the case, that you are 'senile' or demented, then wouldn't that be taken into consideration when having loving contact with your parents?
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flipper
SOWHATNOW- I have two JW daughters who are aged 28 and 26 respectively who are regular pioneers and have shunned me for 11 years now after I left the JW cult. I have tried talking with them = carefully - about certain things, i.e. WT child abuse, generation changes, but they are SOOO mind controlled and indoctrinated it's like you are talking to a JW Zombie member from the show " Walking Dead ". Nothing gets through. Like talking to a brick wall due to the power of WT mind control indoctrination in their brain. And there's a VERY fine line that you have to walk or you'll piss them off and it becomes one step forward- three steps back trying to talk about TTATT to them.
So I just try to call them on the phone and leave messages about how me and my wife are doing, tell them I love them, and I'd love to chat with them sometime. My daughters also shun my son who is 30, their older brother as he exited about 12 years ago as well. So my son and me keep hoping that something will happen with them, perhaps they'll suffer some injustice from elders in the cult or something else will trip their hardwired brains. It's all you can hope for. A JW has to be able to see TTATT themselves. Until they do- their brains are hardwired to reject and put down any information that's negative concerning the WT Society. Even child abuse scandals. So we patiently wait and keep showing unconditional love to them. When their JW view of the REAL world collapses, me. my wife, and my son will be there for them. nd deep down, I know my daughters realize that. So that's it in a nutshell
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IMPORTANT: Please note on your calender that on MONDAY, Feb. 16th, there will be a segment on a TV NEWS PROGRAM discussing JWs
by AndersonsInfo inon monday evening, feb. 16th, on the pbs newshour, there will be a segment discussing jehovah's witnesses.
generally, the newshour airs at 6 p.m. in different time zones across the united states..
please don't miss it.
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flipper
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A sensible fix for the Jehovah's Witness "two witness rule" when dealing with child sex abuse
by Watchtower-Free injehovah's witnesses could retain their two witness rule for internal judicial.
congregation matters .
but in the case of a child abuse allegation they should .
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flipper
No, it wouldn't address their current excuses - because it doesn't address their multitude of OTHER excuses of how they handle child abuse. On the PBS show last night Richard Ash a higher up WT representative and the other WT attorney stated that the WT Society doesn't believe in revealing " confidential talk " about child abuse and they claim it's scriptural. So essentially the WT Society is saying they do not believe they need to report child abuse to law authorities as it exposes that " confidential talk ". Even if exposing that " confidential talk " would protect innocent children from getting raped.
The WT Society is mainly concerned about HIDING how prevalent the child abuse problem is within it 's organization. A little tweaking of a technicality regarding " two eyewitnesses " is NOT high on their priority list. The priority is hiding how much child abuse is happening within the WT Society organization and the other priority is hiding it from the courts and media so WT doesn't lose it's cash cow and go financially bankrupt
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Fink - Your quote, " If Kendrick was involving himself with young teens or children prior to attacking Candace........ "
IF ? THAT is the whole point ! Kendrick WAS involving himself with molesting young children prior to attacking Candace - he raped his own stepdaughter and served 8 months in jail for it ! Even admitted in court to molesting his own stepdaughter ! And the elders KNEW this . So by the time he moved to the 2nd congregation he had already raped his own stepdaughter and served jail time for it. And the elders from his 1st congregation didn't even NOTIFY the elders about his being a molester to the 2nd congregation he was moving to. In fact they wrote a letter of RECOMMENDATION stating he was " good with children " and keeping " children on the straight path ". I mean- how more irresponsible could these elders have been ? It's like they were giving him free reign to go ahead and be close physically to these potential child victims ! It's just disgusting actually
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My wife and I watched it. I thought it was an EXCELLENT report well done . As Antes8080 and On The Way Out mentioned this report also showed just HOW liable and irresponsible not only the 2nd congregation's elders were for allowing Kendrick to go out in field service with Candace but the 1st congregation's elders pulled an even more idiotic irresponsible blunder by recommending Kendrick as having been " good with children " and that he " kept them on a straight path ". I don't know what kind of " path " they're talking about but it was EXTREMELY irresponsible for the 1st congregation to not include Kendricks child molesting past in the letter to his new congregation. It was criminal negligence.
And then those elders in the 2nd congregation walking in the parking lot getting into their cars to go in field service, when they saw Kendrick getting into his car with an 8 year old Candace Conti- those elders right THEN and THERE had the responsibility to walk up to Kendrick and tell him to " get out of the car you're not working alone in field service with this young girl ". They KNEW his history of child abuse to his own stepdaughter so they DID have a responsibility as alleged " shepherds of the flock " to protect this young girl.
WT Society's excuses sicken me and make me nauseous. They are a criminal organization protecting criminals. WT Society's ugly house of cards needs to keep being exposed for the criminality it keeps supporting. The leaders need to be held accountable. Keep spreading the word
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IMPORTANT: Please note on your calender that on MONDAY, Feb. 16th, there will be a segment on a TV NEWS PROGRAM discussing JWs
by AndersonsInfo inon monday evening, feb. 16th, on the pbs newshour, there will be a segment discussing jehovah's witnesses.
generally, the newshour airs at 6 p.m. in different time zones across the united states..
please don't miss it.
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flipper
I feel this PBS report was done EXTREMELY well. The arrogance of WT representative Ashe in declaring " we give spiritual protection, not physical protection- that's for the secular authorities to do. " What a pompous a-hole. This report REALLY exposed the WT Society for what they are : a criminal organization hiding and protecting criminals.
Yeah you might not protect the children physically , but your elders sure as hell could have informed the next congregations elders about Kendrick's previous molestation he committed ! The elders in the congregation Kendrick moved from even RECOMMENDED Kendrick as being GOOD with children and " helping them on the straight path " ! Can you freaking believe this ? Even though they knew he molested his own stepdaughter. And he STILL is free attending the Oakley congregation today having access to more potential victims . Disgusting. It's enough to make you want to vomit
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Conti Respondent’s Brief - Can AnnOMaly’s theory Rescue Simons’ CRITICAL FACT ?
by 4rationality insimons critcal fact = defendants assigned candace to perform field service with kendrick.
martinez testified that she saw candace and kendrick in field service together.
was candace ever assigned to anyone else?
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4RATIONALITY- Your theory has a lot of flaws in it from the get go or beginning. You're totally not mentioning or eliminating the FACT that the elders DID have prior knowledge of Kendrick's previous child molestation charges he committed against his own stepdaughter and so the times Candace was seen leaving the Kingdom hall parking lot to go out in field service ALONE with Kendrick - right THEN and THERE the elders should have taken Kendrick aside BEFORE he got into a car with Candace and told him that they were NOT going to allow him to go in service with this minor child.
THIS was the ball of responsibility that the elders dropped and it was their lack of paying attention to this 8 year old child who was a " sheep " in THEIR care that they failed to look out for and failed to protect her from a possible rape ( which did happen ) by Kendrick once she got in his car and he took her home and raped her. There are NO holes in Simon's defense of Candace- just holes in your avoiding putting responsibility where it squarely lies- on the irresponsible shoulders of inattentive elders shirking their duties to congregation children. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Lock the parking lot gate after the meeting starts?
by MinisterAmos inquick synopsis...the local spanish congo is the only one in about a 40 mile radius.
most of the members live nearby, but the ones in the outskirts have up to a 1 hour trip depending on beach traffic.
recently the wife and i noticed that the hall's parking lot had been secured by a wall and electric gates added to all three exits and entrances.
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Good thread Minister Amos. The quote, " the ( gates ) are locked five minutes before the start ( of meetings ) meaning that late arrivals are well, locked out . "
" Talk about treating adults like children " !
Translation : Talk about treating adults like cult members. If it walks and quacks like a duck- it IS a duck
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Just talked to Witnesses at my door for Hour about Watchtower Child Abuse
by flipper init happened again like in july when i talked to an elder and his wife about child abuse, but this time i got a hold of rank and file members who fortunately i was able to play like a fiddle as they had no idea what they were up against here.
so brother middle age ex-hippie convert ( as he told me later ) and sister middle age hair in a bun offered me the awake on death or our view of death.
i graciously accepted gaining their trust saying yes, i had close loved ones who had died over the years but didn't know if i believed in a resurrection or hereafter.
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CLIFF- Yeah, I know you're right. I realize the WT Society has a lot of $$$$$ . I am into wishful thinking. But I'd like to see a lot of these child abuse lawsuits at least do damage to the WT Society's PUBLIC image if it doesn't break their bank accounts. That's why reports of these child abuse cases need to get into the mainstream media