Posts by flipper

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Is the preaching work, no longer the number 1 priority?

by ToesUp in

i have been observing a pattern in recent wtbs publications and events.

is the importance of the preaching activity no longer the number 1 priority?

are not billions of lives still at stake?.

flipper

I think you hit the nail on the head- " overseeing material assets " is the # 1 priority for the WT Society and GB now. Preaching is WAY down low on the list of priorities.

And this statement, " The organization will be sending " maintenance trainers " to each Kingdom hall and teach everyone locally on how to properly maintain Watchtower assets , I mean Jehovah's house. "

So the control gets ratcheted up several notches due to the fact that WT Society now has title and ownership of most all of these Kingdom halls now. Wow, just wow. This is 1984 and George Orwell all over again. Big brother is alive and well. Run for your lives lurking JW's ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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IMPORTANT: Please note on your calender that on MONDAY, Feb. 16th, there will be a segment on a TV NEWS PROGRAM discussing JWs

by AndersonsInfo in

on monday evening, feb. 16th, on the pbs newshour, there will be a segment discussing jehovah's witnesses.

generally, the newshour airs at 6 p.m. in different time zones across the united states..

please don't miss it.

flipper

6BARBARA- Thanks for the update and heads up ! My wife and I will definitely watch it ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Been a while!

by lambsbottom in

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just wanted to say thank you to all of you for everything over the last 3.5 years.

i am completely faded now.

i no longer suffer from major anxiety/depression, well versed on cults and how to protect myself, continually searching and taking in knowledge regarding my own relationship with god.

flipper

LAMBSBOTTOM- Nice to hear from you again ! I'm glad to hear everything is going well for you. Nice to see that life has been good to you. Good for you

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Hello

by Laika in

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hi all, i haven't posted here in a while, felt like a break and have been insanely busy, i don't think too much about jw stuff now, but wanted to pop in anyway.

have i missed anything recently?.

i am very happy, much to my surprise, i think it would be nice to go back to the end of 2013 and tell the depressed and lonely version of me that he can't even comprehend how good life could be.

flipper

LAIKA- Nice to have you back ! Hope life has been treating you well ! Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Field Service Reports Count More than Showing Love - Ray Franz CF Book

by flipper in

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i've always suspected this was the wt society's view when i was in the jehovah's witness organization - but never knew the head of the writing committee karl adams had written a letter to nathan knorr ( then wt president ) recommending a change regarding reporting field service time as it wrongly emphasized jw members being seen as mainly being approved due to field service statistics - instead of emphasizing christian qualities of love, kindness, peace, etc.. karl adams had been personally handpicked by nathan knorr to be the head of the writing department.

in 1971 he wrote a letter to knorr which he wanted shared with the entire governing body as well .

i'll share the main parts of that letter.. on pg.

flipper

Saw this thread had been bumped up so I thought I'd respond.

ONEFINGERSALUTE- Exactly, great point. Interesting example that you share about the elder with the " secret life " on the side doing everything illegal and immoral - yet at the same time being looked up to inside the congregation from rank & file publishers who see him getting 30 to 40 hours in service every month. If I had a dollar for all the elders I saw who lived these double lives when I was a JW- I'd be a millionaire right now. Absolutely incredible the deception that gets pulled by men in power within the JW organization

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New Apostate: Tempest in a Teacup

by Tempest in a Teacup in

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first post on here.

i've been lurking for 3-4 years and i mean i've been a mega lurker, doing marathon reading sessions for months or weeks.. sometimes i proceed by researching specific topics, or posters; other times just reading current discussions.

i'm particularly fond of "old" post, i.e 10-12-15 years ago.. i have laughed, smiled, got mad, cried etc, just reading some threads here.. as you can see i suffer from some kind of "accute lurkitis".

flipper

TEMPEST- Welcome to the board ! Nice to have you here. It sounds like you've really informed yourself about and even experienced the injustices of the WT Society so your mind is pretty well made up that Jehovah's Witnesses don't have the alleged " truth " - I suppose you feel that way correct ?

I understand the need to keep your JW relative contacts , especially with your wife- some of us can play that game and walk both worlds, some of us cannot. I'm personally one who cannot. Not right or wrong- just a fact where I am in my life.

Keep your options and mind open to possibilities of various situations coming up in your life. I know that you FEEL you'll always be a JW - but it's precisely part of the JW or cult reasoning to think I'll ALWAYS do this or that. It's called black or white reasoning, either this or that. Never any in-between. That's also part of the WT or JW training and indoctrination that they put into us. I'm just recommending that you keep an open mind towards your options. I wish you the best in whatever you decide and we are here to offer unconditional friendship and support no matter what you do. Take care and I wish you the best ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Exposing one's identity. When?

by kairos in

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i've been toying with the idea of just coming out and posting my name and location as an attempt to be available to locals that secretly browse the forum that have known me for up to 25 years.

( "reaching out", so to speak ).

i'm not da'd or df'd, so this most certainly could end in a dramatic confrontation.

flipper

KAIROS- With all of the tension and difficult situations you've been going through with your JW wife- do you really feel you need more " dramatic confrontations " at this particular time ? You invited us to talk you off the ledge- so I'm talking. I think the expression " discretion's the better part of valor " and " out of sight out of mind " might apply here. Just my 2 cents knowing a bit of your situation and from our conversations.

I understand your possibly just wanting to get it over with- the coming out that is- however I don't think you fully understand the enormity of the " Pandora's Box " that may open against you and then other JW cult members may then try to influence your wife against you. It's something to consider. Just consider your steps carefully

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What's your all-time favorite Song by musician ? Name Song and Artist

by flipper in

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flipper again.

personally my all time favorite song?

stairway to heaven by led zeppelin.one of my top favorite groups ,too.

flipper

ZED- Awesome pick ! I love " In My Time of Dying ". Great song. I love " The Rover " off of that same album Physical Graffiti also - plus Kashmir - another classic from Zep ! Hope you're doin' well ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Field Service Reports Count More than Showing Love - Ray Franz CF Book

by flipper in

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i've always suspected this was the wt society's view when i was in the jehovah's witness organization - but never knew the head of the writing committee karl adams had written a letter to nathan knorr ( then wt president ) recommending a change regarding reporting field service time as it wrongly emphasized jw members being seen as mainly being approved due to field service statistics - instead of emphasizing christian qualities of love, kindness, peace, etc.. karl adams had been personally handpicked by nathan knorr to be the head of the writing department.

in 1971 he wrote a letter to knorr which he wanted shared with the entire governing body as well .

i'll share the main parts of that letter.. on pg.

flipper

Saw this had been bumped up, thought I'd reply.

TIDALBLITZ- Yeah, turning time in to be counted " righteous " was really dumb for the WT Society to insist upon. Turning time in had nothing to do with being a good, kind person.

RATTIGAN 350- Exactly. All elders care about are the statistics of the congregation going out in service meeting the national average so they don't get their butts chewed out from the C.O. when he visits. It's all about outward appearance - nothing about love or kindness

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Just talked to Witnesses at my door for Hour about Watchtower Child Abuse

by flipper in

it happened again like in july when i talked to an elder and his wife about child abuse, but this time i got a hold of rank and file members who fortunately i was able to play like a fiddle as they had no idea what they were up against here.

so brother middle age ex-hippie convert ( as he told me later ) and sister middle age hair in a bun offered me the awake on death or our view of death.

i graciously accepted gaining their trust saying yes, i had close loved ones who had died over the years but didn't know if i believed in a resurrection or hereafter.

flipper

VILLAGE IDIOT- Well, I think it helps when we keep news release printouts about WT child abuse near the front door so they are handy to give to JW's when they call on our house. Hey the way I look at it- if they are going to try to place something with me they consider of value- I'm gonna do the same to them- place something of value that I feel they need ! LOL. Peace out, Mr. Flipper