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  Planning an Escape: Truth Triumphs Over Lies!

  by 00DAD in

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  often during wt/book studies and/or public talks i would be following along and note little discrepancies and inconsistencies.

  perhaps it was a scripture that didn't really support the point being asserted in the paragraph or maybe it was an illustration that sounded good but wasn't completely parallel or maybe it was a line of reasoning that wasn't as conclusive or solid as the speaker/elder/co/wt publication made it out to be.

  or maybe it was the excessive use of weasel words like, "evidently," "perhaps," "must have" and so on.

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  Hermano

  Thanks for your story 00Dad. Sorry to hear about your son.

  Those in thrall to this poison are hard to reach but nothing is impossible.

  I agree.
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  Could the JWs fit the defintion of Fascism?

  by Aussie Oz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  fascism ( /'f?

  ?z?m/) is a radicalauthoritariannationalist political ideology.

  [1][2] fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitariansingle-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics.

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  What DVD was that Aussie Oz? I'm always interested in documentatires that are not about the JWs but may help someone have a light bulb moment.

  (Know what I mean?)
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  The real truth is that you know you've recovered when you stop caring about JW's

  by gubberningbody in

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  2. friends

  it's perhaps sad, but perhaps a bit of wisdom to come to realize how insignificant jws really are.. .

  you finally get to the point where you don't even care what happens to the borg one way or another.. .

  this said after almost four years..

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  Guess it depends on how deeply you were impacted and whether or not you still have loved ones who are or may be impacted....

  And then of course, some people just want to help others.
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  The real truth is that you know you've recovered when you stop caring about JW's

  by gubberningbody in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it's perhaps sad, but perhaps a bit of wisdom to come to realize how insignificant jws really are.. .

  you finally get to the point where you don't even care what happens to the borg one way or another.. .

  this said after almost four years..

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  Guess it depends on how deeply you were impacted and whether or not you still have loved ones who are or may be impacted....

  And then of course, some people just want to help others.
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  Watchtower suppresses critical video

  by besty in

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  2. scandals

  as many of you know the active jehovah's witness known as v has a youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/wtcomments .

  v has 27 videos and 1000 subscribers on his channel and over 200,000 views so far.

  his most recent video is a satirical expose of the most recent generation doctrine change.

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  GRRR!!! This type of thing makes me so mad!!! It's this type of action from the WTS that's turning me from a passive apostate to an active apostate.
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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

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  2. friends

  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  But at the end of the day it is hard to know exactly what is going on without prying but my suggestion is to develop the habit of trying to converse with everyone but particularly those who seem isolated and the conversations can be about world affairs, sport, entertainment etc. I would not suggest being committed to deliberately following up on such ones though and suggest rather that one would need to be the kind of person who is open to whatever outcome happens - for example if they become stronger in the truth then so be it. It is their life after all and it is important that they do not feel that they are being pressured in any way. On the other hand if there is an answering spirit within someone then they may not feel so alone even if it is only for that moment in time and of course this may never become known to you. Having been controlled for most of adult life I would never try to control another person but would simply try to be respectful and tolerant whilst encouraging confidence in the world outside the KH.

  Thank you soft+gentle. I think you said what I have been thinking but couldn't articulate. Even the simple act of treating someone with tolerance and respect can make them aware that not everyone is treating them that way.

  How about sharing some positive news? - It may help someone realize that not everything is as doom and gloom as it is made to appear.

  How about sharing about something good that a "wordly" person has done for you? - It may help someone realize not all wordly people are as evil as they are made to appear.

  Even "theocratic" news can be used help someone think. "I heard the Society started that new project that wont be completed until 2020. Isn't great that they are planning for the future."

  Low risk, you don't have to compromise or expose yourself, but perhaps you can make a more moderate JW think or feel a bit differently.
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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

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  2. friends

  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  Thanks for your feedback TheOldHippie. A distinction needs to be made between changes in doctrines vs. changes in the oppresiveness of the regime.

  Perhaps the issue can be addressed both by pressure from the outside and by covert resistance from the inside.

  Those of us who are out are certainly in a better position to bring awareness and pressure from the outside by letting the public know about the oppresive tactics of the regime.
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  Could the JWs fit the defintion of Fascism?

  by Aussie Oz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  fascism ( /'f?

  ?z?m/) is a radicalauthoritariannationalist political ideology.

  [1][2] fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitariansingle-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics.

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  Hermano

  For those who went to Awake! University this might be easier to understand :

  Dictatorship means that one person rules, but without the sanction of legitimacy like legal election or hereditary monarchy. Of course, dictators usually try to jerryrig the laws to legitimize their power, but they normally take power by a coup or some other illegal means and then try to justify it after the fact.
  
  Totalitarianism is not an ideology in itself but refers to any ideology which subordinates the rights of the individual to the interests of the state. That is, the state considers itself to be the primary focus of loyalty and identity, and does not permit its authority to be limited by things like religion, individual conscience and civil rights, family loyalties, etc. Fascism, Nazism and Communism are all totalitarian ideologies.
  
  Fascism is one totalitarian ideology. It holds that the "nation" is the entity that mandates its members' absolute loyalty and obedience, and also that the "spirit of the nation" is embodied in a single inspired leader. The most famous example is Mussolini in Italy, but Franco in Spain, or Peron in Argentina, were also fascist leaders. Nazism is a variation of fascism which adds racism and anti-semitism to the formula.

  http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111116090848AAghUdS

  And yes, the similarities are kinda scary. I would say without a doubt that for many JW's the "Organization" is the entity that mandates its members' absolute loyalty and obedience, and also that the "spirit of the Organization" is embodied in the Governing Body.
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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

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  2. friends

  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  I think a lot of them resist to various degrees, even passively.

  Yes apostatethunder, and yet they feel so alone. When I was still in I used to feel like everyone around me was SOOO loyal and I was the only one struggling. And yet in hindsight, I know there were others who felt like me. We just didnt know we weren't the only ones. Could there be some way for those who are still in but have more awareness of the coersive tactics to help others who are struggling so they don't feel so isolated?
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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  Extreme elements from within are not going to change anything.

  I don't know about that breakfast of champions. I think THEY ARE CHANGING. Certainly not becoming more moderate, but becoming even more extreme. Which can work too, because the moderates may become disillusioned and leave. Hopefully they can help wake up one or two souls before they leave or are forced out. I'm all for them tripping themselves up, but if I can help the process along, I'd love to.