Now, THERE'S an accomplishment! Married that long and CELEBRATING IT!
Congratulations, the both of you!
Maeve
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HAPPY WEDDING ANNIVERSARY MR & MRS SMIDDY
by smiddy in53 years ago we got married in a kh by a bro.
about 20 years ago my wife and i, and two children left the cult , and have never been happier .. wifey was happy with the flowers i gave her and this evening we will go for a quiet dinner at a restuarant with a bottle or two of champers and if i`m lucky i may even get desserts , or not.. smiddy.
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The Elders Returned, as Promised!
by exWTslave inwonderful love!.
wonderful love!.
wonderful love!.
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What a straight, clear and unpredictable reception they walked into. So good that your little girl knows that love is the core of life.
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How do JWs Not see how barbaric YHWH is? Its what started my awakening.
by BU2B inif one reads genesis from the first chapter through the end with an open mind, it is clear that not only is it not true, but that god is potrayed as a cruel, petty, childish micromanaging tyrant.
if one continues reading the ot this is just further solidified.
how do jws not see the obvious?
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suavojr, Good observations from a 10 year old--Children can be so clear-thinking..
And the Genesis 22 account? While I was struggling with the problem of the god of love in the OT, I knew that words were important. And that the words of Genesis 22 were peculiar.
I had as my personal background 1) a Latin teacher in high school that made us discover words derived from latin. This made me mindful of clues and odd turns in language, communication and the evolution of word meaning. 2)because I ended up living in a less "civilized" manner and sometimes living and worshipping with people who had ideas of God as rough as Abraham, I had to wonder how ideas of God grew among people--I asked the brothers during my inquisition 'Who invents words, brothers?" "We humans do". "So how does God talk to us about ways that are higher than our ways?" Also: "Do you know how God "spoke" to Abraham?"
I will not defend the existence of god, but it is true that the scholarship allowing for a variance on the horrific Abraham/Isaac account is sound.
What I sent to the Society was reasoned and researched. (I have the full exchange of letters on an old thread on JWN). Though they found nothing objectionable in it, even concurred with the points. But ultimately, though there was every good reason not to interpret God as a freaky sadist, they would not allow for anything less than a twisted God. I pointed out that there was more reason to embrace ambiguity than the certainty they had chosen.
And to the charge from the local brothers that I had my own interpretation I pointed out that, no, their insistence on ignoring a word in all ways foreign to blood and blade--THAT was an interpretation. "Do not go beyond the things written" only applied to the WTBTS writings--not the bible. They were comfortable with their hideous interpretation for children.
It took 3 months for the Corporation to deal with me. I was to be quiet and lump it.
They LOVE the monster they've created.
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How do JWs Not see how barbaric YHWH is? Its what started my awakening.
by BU2B inif one reads genesis from the first chapter through the end with an open mind, it is clear that not only is it not true, but that god is potrayed as a cruel, petty, childish micromanaging tyrant.
if one continues reading the ot this is just further solidified.
how do jws not see the obvious?
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I had a hard time with Jehovah's psychotic schizophenia. Sometimes his forebearance was amazing (the end of the book of Jonah "ought I not to feel sorry for Nineveh the great city?") OMG! These Assyrians used to skin alive their captives!
On the other hand, it is hard to grasp where mercy and justice stands with Jehovah as He allows faithful Uriah to be first cuckolded then murdered without so much as a blink of his eye (unless you consider the killing of David's woods colt as balancing the ledger).
But the most disturbing account of all is that of Abraham and Isaac at Genesis 22. That is what got me out of the religion.
I finally "outed" myself to the local brothers because there is latitude to understand the story as a moment where human language had no way to describe God's high-minded ways. In fact, if indeed the words of the bible had been "sacrifice" Isaac, I told the brothers then indeed Jehovah was a sly and cruel manipulator. A monster.
That there was the word "burnt offering" which offered a connotation more spiritual and not specifically deadly as the word for "sacrifice" was hopeful for me. I certainly hoped it would be for others who were troubled by God's allowing himself to 1) lie 2)use evil to test a human 3)seem to approve what he abhorred.
The upshot of the matter: JWs are content to have Jehovah be a son-of-a-bitch in their literature and teaching. My observation that such a twisted representation of the God of love was a hard sell---yet the Genesis 22 story is central to Judeo/Christian teaching.
As much as anything, I could not anymore stay in a group of people who were slavishly attached to My Book of Bible Stories. The Society actually wrote me that they were concerned to say that Abraham was told to kill Isaac before he burnt him so that children didn't think Jehovah had asked Abe to do what the terrible pagan Canaanites did by burning children alive to their evil gods.
Sick! Sick! SICK!!!!!
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Short Video - Interviews with Creationists
by cofty inthis short video demonstrates how faith is impervious to facts.. the contributers are honest about their beliefs but so badly deceived about reality it is quite depressing.
spot the canards - some of them are jaw-dropping.. pastor peter laruffa exudes, "if somewhere within the bible, i were to find a passage that said two plus two equals five, i wouldn't question what i'm reading in the bible.
i would believe it, accept it as true, and then do my best to work it out and understand it.".
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Fear of life without God is the theme throughout this video.
No Go= no prayer=no reward=no resurrection.
"Try God" says the woman at the end. She poses it as a choice.
Believe God into existence?
Have they known a person to beg for God's mercy and receive no mercy when they "try"? (husband's complaint for himself during the time that I had God for me)
"TRY GOD"?
It hurts to discover that something is lost in translation. That the only god available to many is a very, very trying one. So trying as to be, well, as good as gone.
Sometimes faith can be fear based--fear, not of hell, but of God not being there.
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Do you remember the girl in the coffee shop?
by quellycatface ini posted a few weeks back, about a young girl having a study in a local coffee shop.
the sister she was studying with i knew, from my ex kh.. i saw them again today.
i acted on the advice from my previous post and wrote a note.
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Quelly--no regrets. You did not stand by idle.
I remember ignoring warnings from people who knew I was studying. I need to think more about the things that might have helped me.I wonder if anything could have.
The woman who studied me in was/is a well-known pioneer who was strong and unstinting. (My husband referred to her as "The Dragon Lady).
Maeve
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Helping your Loved one correlate WT mind control by exposing OTHEr groups
by Jon Preston inive been watching "the following" lately and my wife watched a few episodes with me.
she couldnt fathom at first the depth that mind control or "destructive influence" can take you.
so in accordance with hassans "freedom of mind" i have decided that exposing other cults to my wife will help me help her to find correlations to the wt and hopefully lead her to the bite model.
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I discovered by accident how effective this method was while I was an active JDub.
A youngMormon woman who had been my oldest daughter's best friend (I now that's not supposed to happen) had since married and stayed in touch with our family. She called me and invited me to view at the local LDS meeting place on our local University's campus the annual (? what-ever-it's-called) that the LDS President presents. I thanked her but declined, saying that I thought it would be a good thing for her to read the Bible so that she could be certain that everything she learned lined up--In fact, I said, she should beware of these men that she referred to as "prophets" of her church. They might be shifting doctrines without her knowing it.(lol,<idiot me!)
She then made this remarkably insightful comment: But the men who guide you are like our leaders. They provide you all with new prophesy, don' they.
I was quite stricken dumb. She had inadvertantly blind-sided me. I was so certain I was helping line up her thinking.
Her comments really helped put pressure along the "fault line" where tensions mounted rapidly within a few years until the big quake happened for me.
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Valentine's Day:" At least someone got a chick today!"
by humbled inthat's what my oldest son said when i texted that our little red hen, goldie, against all odds, hatched herself a chick tonight.
nearly midnight now and i checked--there's another one breaking out to join the first one--.
--i put the egg to my ear and heard it cheeping!.
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scary21, I love how you solved the "strange" chick problem.
It is so fascinating to watch the dynamics of animals--that solution you came up with is very thought provoking. Goldie is managing her mothering of her 2-3 day old babies so beautifully. They pop out from under her full breast or from under her wing and "forage" in the flat pan that has finely ground feed in it. they drink so daintily from the shallow water bowl.
Goldie abandoned the 5 unhatched eggs this afternoon. Of the eggs rescued from the snow, there were 15 when I found them. Two were damaged and Goldie herself broke another whether intentional or not--but it was spoiled and showed no developing chick. Surely some of those eggs had been frozen before she began to set them. and perhaps the transfer to the house harmed some--though ultimately it saved those 7 and perhaps Goldie herself.
I am glad I am no longer conflicted about spending time with and enjoying animals. My years as a JW so discouraged taking time away from reading and studying and serving in the door-to-door work. and i had kids at home, and my husband who--thank goodness was not a JW-- and often some outside work. It was not a time to enjoy life so much as now.
O, chickens! Do you have a chance to keep any at all now?
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Valentine's Day:" At least someone got a chick today!"
by humbled inthat's what my oldest son said when i texted that our little red hen, goldie, against all odds, hatched herself a chick tonight.
nearly midnight now and i checked--there's another one breaking out to join the first one--.
--i put the egg to my ear and heard it cheeping!.
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DONE! the last chick is named!( Feeding the red hens off the fly swat!!!)
Hortensia, there was the final, 7th chick out yesterday. The others did not hatch, so there's the end of it.
Yes, Hortensia, chickens are lovely pets!
I acquired my motley assortment of poultry at the end of the hatching season. Five baby guineas and three unidentified chicks. The woman said she had bantams and also kept Rhode Island Reds. Certainly little Goldie has some RhodeIslandRed in her background. But she is small and obviously broody--her eggs a pale, pale brown. And small.
Well, folks, I'll take good care of your namesakes.
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Beautiful, nugget. Catches that bird perfectly.
What medium? Ink, etching?
It would be lovely to see more of your work.
Maeve