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  Judicial Committee on tape ... one of my favorites

  by ithinkisee in

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  2. friends

  this is a judicial meeting recording from the mid-80's, where rick and laverne townsend were brought up on charges of apostasy.

  listen to the calm manner in which they refute the elders (especially 607 and 1914) and how the elders get evasive and dodge questions and pretty much bring up nothing biblical.

  http://www.worldisbroken.com/.

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  jeanV

  the link is broken, does anyone have the recording?
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  How long?

  by XBEHERE in

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  how long until they really start cracking down on me?

  any former/current elders especially.

  i am currently an elder and basically miss at least one meeting a week and never go out in service on sundays and seldom on saturdays.

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  xbehere, I can sympathise as I am in a similar situation. as to the how long, from the other elders point of view, it will very much depend on whether you have some hardcore ones in your body (the ex bethelite sort that love rules and regulations). If they are easy going, it could go on forever.

  with regard to you, it depends how long you can (or have to) live a lie.

  My wife's biggest fear as I faded out and left the org was that I was going to leave her too

  the problem is if she wants to remain in the organisation. Fading might be ok but you still have to live by certain rules even if you do not agree with them (and it might be hard if you have children). DA/DF living with someone that is still active JW, cannot last, imo.
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  How Far Up The "Ranks" Did You Go In The Organization?

  by minimus in

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  at age 18, i was a regular pioneer.

  at 20, a ministerial servant.

  at 24 an elder.

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  jeanV

  elder for over 12 years, done everything excpet PO. Several talks at SAD, CA, DC (including an international one with 4 GB present). before you get too impressed you should know that our district is so small that any elder able to stand for more than 10 minutes would get a part ;)

  any ex CO, DO, missionaries, MTS, Gilead graduates, anointed around here?
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  Elders in denial?

  by Bobhere in

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  2. friends

  after i was df and seriously questioning my faith in the org ( won't call it the truth) i gave a copy of coc to an elder i have known since i was a young man.

  he read it found it disturbing and said that he didn't realize problems that he found at his level of involvement went so high.

  i then gave him a copy of "in search of christian freedom" he never read it said that he didn't want to question his faith in the brothers.

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  jeanV

  I wish someone had given me a copy. I do not know how I would have reacted (I have always been open minded), it likely depends on who and how. Maybe I would have taken the standard reaction after many years of mind control.

  But I agree with rolling rock, sooner or later it makes an effect. Once while visiting a DF, he mentioned something about the cross. It stayed in my mind and eventually lead me to make some research that lead to other discoveries. You just need to get the ball rolling.
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 2-11-07 WT Study (JOYFUL)

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 02-11-07 wt study (january 1, 2007, pages 20-25)(must become joyful).

  review comments will be in red.

  14) after the atonement day, the israelites celebrated the festival of booths, the most joyful festival of the jewish year.

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  This article on the festivals was just as boring as it was in 1980

  almost fell asleep....
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  Get A Load Of This Anti Watchtower Site!

  by minimus in

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  a preview of what's coming in january is on this link, it sounds scary to me!!!!

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  http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/.

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  jeanV

  same problem, password required
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  Where do you THINK the WT will be in 20 years? (Not what you hope)

  by UnConfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you think growth will have stopped?

  do you think membership will be up or down?

  do you think financially they will be in trouble?

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  imo the WTBTS will survive for many more years.

  Do you think growth will have stopped? Yes, it has stopped already. 1-2% increase per year is negligible. It might just benefit of some catastrophic events, but younger generations are more difficult to be trapped in.
  
  Do you think membership will be up or down? Down, and aging.
  
  Do you think financially they will be in trouble? I think the WTBTS is already in trouble. There is a new arrangment for a third contribution box (for KH worldwide) that might bring in some cash, but the "machine" needs a lot of money to run. Selling some real estate will help.
  
  Will they be more liberal or have tightened up further in 20 years? Hopefully more liberal, but I doubt it.
  
  What will be the situation of the Governing Body as all the old timers are gone? Newer, younger ones will come along (of the great crowd), same style.
  
  ....what do you think will be happening in 20 years for the brothers and sisters? don't know.
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  Need some help with this.....

  by lavendar in

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  in trying to show a relative the error of the wts's ways, i need to know exactly what the wts's rebuttal is on the 607 bc vs 586 bc.

  what could they possibly say?

  the history books & encyclopedias show the fall of ancient jerusalem in the year 586/587 bc .....not 607 bc as the wts claims.

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  here you can find copies of letters written to the wtbts and their replies:

  http://www.607v587.com/

  the society is not actively defending their 607 (I read a post on this board of someone that is waiting for a reply to his letter from two years ago...), they just refer to the article chronology in the insight book. the main defender of 607 is rolf furuli. type his name in google and you'll get his arguments. he will be publishing a new book soon (available from eisenbrauns). watch out for carl's reply to it (you can find the essay review on furuli's first book here: http://user.tninet.se/~oof408u/fkf/english/furulirev.htm)

  Get Carl Olof Jonsson Gentile times reconsidered (4th edition). you'll find all that you need in there. BTW I am collecting plenty of material on chronology, so if you'll need some help just send a pm.

  this topic is great to prove the wtbts is dishonest in presenting historical facts: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/111407/1.ashx
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  "How Could I Have Believed the Garbage for so Long?"

  by scout575 in

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  "i went through the same thing when i started my deconversion process.

  when i began to think rationally about life i was in shock.

  i would ask myself, "how could i have believed the garbage for so long?

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  jeanV

  James, 15 years is not bad,h ow about 31 years and still going at it and trying to find a way to fade and not be df due to family.

  may I join the club?

  the other big question is, how can I help others to open the eyes?
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  blood brochure - misquotes

  by jeanV in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i found some websites that present the cited texts in their entirety (including the part that was left out by the wtbts), however not the scans from the original books/articles.

  does anyone know of a website where they are available?

  same goes for the trinity brochure.. thank you in advance..

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  jeanV

  I found some websites that present the cited texts in their entirety (including the part that was left out by the WTBTS), however not the scans from the original books/articles.
  does anyone know of a website where they are available? Same goes for the Trinity brochure.
  Thank you in advance.