well if that was me... and i was doing that....
Nah its not me, thank goodness! but i do know a few people like that from my old cong! i guess we all do... lol
Posts by Sam87
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by Swamboozled ini always assume that people with real pics for their avatars are pics of that poster.
obviously that's not always the case.
i'm curious about whose pic is really them.
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where is god?
by Sam87 inok, ive been trying to work out this one for a while, so please just put up with me if i make no sense whatsover..... over nearly the last year or so i havnt been to any meetings at all, i realised that all things jw is a big money making lie that is destroying peoples lives.
after leaving the jws i started to question the bible (as most probably do).
i researched inteligent design and evolution, and put them on an even playing ground so i could get a proper view of everything without my old 'watchtower goggles' on that seemed to stop me from seeing anything else but the friggin' organisation.. personaly i beleive we were created by something/someone, and to me the universe is to big and to complicated to have just happened by chance.
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ok, ive been trying to work out this one for a while, so please just put up with me if i make no sense whatsover....
Over nearly the last year or so i havnt been to any meetings at all, i realised that all things JW is a big money making lie that is destroying peoples lives. After leaving the JWs i started to question the bible (as most probably do). I researched inteligent design and evolution, and put them on an even playing ground so i could get a proper view of everything without my old 'Watchtower goggles' on that seemed to stop me from seeing anything else but the friggin' organisation.
Personaly i beleive we were created by something/someone, and to me the universe is to big and to complicated to have just happened by chance. But that doesnt mean that i beleive the bible, the problem i have is what do i do now? if i think there is some kind of supreme being is he good or evil?
It seems that he would have to be evil, because what kind of good being lets horrible things happen (im not going to mention what, but you know what im talking about).
Should i pay any respect to something that lets these things happen? sure i have a good life, but thats not the point, im not thinking about me, im thinking about all the millions of other people that are starving to death, the kids that knew nothing but pain for their entire existance, the mothers that had to watch the most precious thing in their life suffer.
Where is god when this happens?
I know people that beleive in the bible will say that there is a purpose for all of this, but can you really justify it? here is an example i told my Dad to get my point accross on why i think the bible is unfair...
Bruce has 2 dogs (a male named Rosco and a female named Shelly), Bruce just baked a nice meat pie for dinner, he puts the pie on the bench to cool down before he eats it, he then leaves the kitchen and goes to watch some TV.
Now Rosco and Shelly know how they are not supposed to each food of the bench, and they know that they will get into big trouble, theyve done it before and they learned their lesson.
But Rosco and Shelly make the mistake of jumping up onto the bench and eating half of the meat pie.
Now Bruce has finished watching TV and decides to go and eat his dinner, but he soon realises that his dogs ate it! So he puts them outside and makes them live the rest of their days in the backyard instead of sleeping at his feet on the end of his bed.
But something else happens... Rosco and Shelly get pregnant, and because Bruno is still very upset with them he waits untill they have their puppies and takes them away...
Bruce puts each of the puppies into tiny cages, barely big enough for them to blink an eyelid, he gives them only just enough dirty water and food to keep them alive, he also pokes and prods each of the puppies through the cages and torments them all day long, but he does all of this in front of Rosco and Shelly.
Bruce does all of this because the two dogs stole one pie of the bench, he does it because from that one mistake the dogs offspring have to pay for something they have nothing to do with. (instead of just punishing Rosco and Shelly).
Now i know thats a bit far fetched and everything, but you get the general idea, this is what i dont get, why (according to the bible) are we dealing with problems from our ancestors from thousands of years ago? why is that even remotely sane?!
I dont see any kind of logic behind it, it would make more sense to just let Adam and Eve finish their lives and then start again wouldnt it?!
This is what really confuses me, what is the pooint to anything to do with life?! why?! sure its good (to me, not everyone), but what happens after you die!? This is all getting me really confused and im sure im not the only one....
Anyway thank you for reading, and sorry about the outburst, i just needed to clear my head....
Sam87.
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WHOA! Elders don't care about me after all!!!
by Schism inhey everyone!.
wow, i am amazed.
about 3 months ago, i finally became nauseated about going to the meetings and i went from attending each one, to attending zero.
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Wow, I am amazed. About 3 months ago, I finally became nauseated about going to the meetings and I went from attending each one, to attending zero. Everyone in my hall is pretty much either related to me, or has watched me grow up and likes to pretend they are related to me, including the elders.
Since I stopped going, I have had one single person try to get me to go back or go out in service, and she is one of the nicest people in the world (too nice). The rest are leaving me in peace, which is a good thing! It seems too good to be true.
this is pretty much the same treatment i got too.
Sam87.
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proof of the bible?
by Sam87 inhi everyone, i found this on myspace on one of the jw groups (overun by apostates hehe), it is an interesting read, its about some 'proof' of the bible, whether or not it proves the bible is very questionable though, but the part about sodom and gomorrah down the bottom was very interesting, what are your thoughts on this article?
what do you think its strengths/weaknesses are?
thanks.
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ok, there i got it finaly! lol, i see your point abandoned, i have been questioning everyone who talks to me about the bible with similar things. the only reason i posted this on here was to get everyones viewpoint, not to make out anyones a hypocrit promise, lol.
The bible claims that snakes originally did not go about on their bellies. (Genesis 3:14)
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/lines/IICdevelopmental.shtml
This is exactly what fossil evidence supports; that snakes have legged ancestors.
One should wonder how Moses could have known such a thing, as Moses would have never personally seen a snake with legs.
Genesis 3:1) "the serpent was more prudent than any animal of the field"
The bible goes on to relate a conversation that took place through this snake to the woman. Many may find it hard to believe this legged ancestor snake was able to speak.
However the communication abilities of animals has been demonstrated by the African grey parrot Alex and the gorilla Koko. Wild bottle nosed dolphins have there own personal names... and groundhogs have been found describing in detail any human that approaches their area; such as what color their clothing is, whether they have a gun, etc.
(Genesis 1:21) "And God proceeded to create the great reptiles..."
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0325Dino_tissue.asp
Tyrannosaurus Rex
Many English bible translations use the term dragon to refer to a great reptile. The bible makes reference to many of such animals that lived at the same time as man. How could dragon blood cells, blood vessels, and connective tissue last 68 MILLION years? A few thousand years seems to align with Occam's razor.
The bible points out that angelic beings took human wives for themselves and produced offspring (Genesis 6). The children were not human like us, rather they were a hybrid-humanoid race.
http://bric.users.ftech.net/rp.no38.html
(left; neanderthal, right; human)
We existed before them, they have larger brain cavities, stronger muscles, they were cannibalistic and very violent, and their mtDNA demonstrates we did not or could not productively mate with them. They were superior in every physical way yet they all died off "some how" which the bible explains was through the flood.
(Genesis 7:11) "...in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on this day all the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened."
"Second month." Following the Exodus from Egypt, when Jehovah gave the Israelites the sacred calendar, this became the eighth month, known as Bul, corresponding to the latter half of October and first half of November.
God is said to have destroyed the children of the angels on October 31, or November 1 by global flood. Hollows Eve, All saints day, and All souls day may come from a demonic commemoration of there children's death. "many of these customs predate Christianity, going back to Celtic practices associated with Nov. 1... Witches and other evil spirits were believed to roam the earth on this evening, playing tricks on human... Bonfires were lit, offerings were made of dainty foods and sweets, and people would disguise themselves as one of the roaming spirits, to avoid demonic persecution." - http://www.answers.com/halloween
"Then Yahovah rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from Yahovah out of the heavens" - Genesis 19:24. "Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly" - 2 Peter 2:6.
http://www.bibleplus.org/discoveries/sodomfound.htm
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm
The first century Jewish historian Josephus said, "The traces or shadows of the five cities are still to be seen."
The satelite image shows how these cities are almost entirely turned into white ash.
Hundreds of sulfur balls have been collected all around these cities.
"Embedded in these pure ashen remains are sulphur, or brimstone balls. Sulphur is usually found in crystalline form, but this sulphur is unique to the world as it is round, white and has the consistency of compact powder. It is usually 30-40% sulphur, whereas these sulphur balls are 95-98% pure sulphur. The impurities in the sulphur are metals that would add to the heat given off. It burns at 5000-6000 degrees Fahrenheit. It was tested at Galbraith Laboratories, Knoxville, Tennessee, USA. They said that a BTU test could not be done as it would damage their stainless steel testing chamber. Sulphur is usually only found by volcanoes, sulfide ore mineral veins, or by sedimentary rocks associated with anhydrite, gypsum, limestone and saltdomes. We know that these sulphur balls must have been burning at some time in the past, because of the presence of burn rings around them." -
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proof of the bible?
by Sam87 inhi everyone, i found this on myspace on one of the jw groups (overun by apostates hehe), it is an interesting read, its about some 'proof' of the bible, whether or not it proves the bible is very questionable though, but the part about sodom and gomorrah down the bottom was very interesting, what are your thoughts on this article?
what do you think its strengths/weaknesses are?
thanks.
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Sam87
damnit, it didnt work, just copy and past this into your browser...
(i dont know how to make it clickable)
thanks
Sam87
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proof of the bible?
by Sam87 inhi everyone, i found this on myspace on one of the jw groups (overun by apostates hehe), it is an interesting read, its about some 'proof' of the bible, whether or not it proves the bible is very questionable though, but the part about sodom and gomorrah down the bottom was very interesting, what are your thoughts on this article?
what do you think its strengths/weaknesses are?
thanks.
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Sam87
Hi everyone, i found this on myspace on one of the JW groups (overun by apostates hehe), it is an interesting read, its about some 'proof' of the bible, whether or not it proves the bible is very questionable though, but the part about Sodom and Gomorrah down the bottom was very interesting, what are your thoughts on this article? what do you think its strengths/weaknesses are? thanks
Sam87
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reasoning with a JW on myspace
by Sam87 inok so im still talking to this jw over myspace, and i seem to have hit a stump.
hello again, just thought id message you to see if you got my last message about this quote, as ive been having problems with myspace at the moment, my apoligies if you have already recieved it.
" the time is at hand, page 101 (1908 edition).
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oops, just realised i said 1987, i meant the 1975 expectation, damnit i hate typos, oh well i guess i just made an A$$ of myself! lol
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reasoning with a JW on myspace
by Sam87 inok so im still talking to this jw over myspace, and i seem to have hit a stump.
hello again, just thought id message you to see if you got my last message about this quote, as ive been having problems with myspace at the moment, my apoligies if you have already recieved it.
" the time is at hand, page 101 (1908 edition).
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thanks guys! this has helped heaps, ive been hitting him with everything, the UN scandel, Blood, 1987, all of the big guns, and he just dodges around them all! its amazing the way someone can be so narrow minded! it really shows me how the borg have brainwashed everyone, he still beleives completely in the borg even after all the proof ive given him that they arnt what they seem! oh well, i guess ill keep trying...
thanks again,
from sam.
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reasoning with a JW on myspace
by Sam87 inok so im still talking to this jw over myspace, and i seem to have hit a stump.
hello again, just thought id message you to see if you got my last message about this quote, as ive been having problems with myspace at the moment, my apoligies if you have already recieved it.
" the time is at hand, page 101 (1908 edition).
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Sam87
Ok so im still talking to this JW over myspace, and i seem to have hit a stump
this is what i sent him...............
hello again, just thought id message you to see if you got my last message about this quote, as ive been having problems with myspace at the moment, my apoligies if you have already recieved it.
"...the ‘battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." The Time Is at Hand, page 101 (1908 edition).
just wondering what you think of this quote? it is clearly stated what was said to happen, and it clearly didnt happen.
Any of your thoughts on this matter would be apreciated.
Respectfully,
From Sam.
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then he sent me this...
1908?
when was the flock cleansed... 1919?
1914 was definitely the year Satan was cast down to earth though; see Revelation 12:10-12----------------------------------------------------------
any sugestions on what to say next? what he said doesnt really combat with ''which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced."
is it just me or does this quote say the end WILL be here by 1914? I keep telling him that its false prophecy, but he doesnt listen, any ideas how i can really hit this quote home to him? If so i would really like to hear them
thank you, from Sam87
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Name only One - one only - the best only!!!!
by AK - Jeff inyour absolute favorite song of all time.
no lists.
just your absolute favorite and artist.. mine:.
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As the rush comes - Motorcycle
Or the gabriel and Dresden Chillout remix of this song, but i think i like the original better.
