It's the carrot and the stick approach, they reel you in with the carrot, that Jehovah is a loving heavenly father who will make a paradise for you, then once they have you, out comes the stick, if you don't do everything right he is the vengeful God who will strike you down at Armageddon.
LisaRose
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Jehovah went from love to fear--when?
by gma-tired2 inwhen i was a child and teen jw in 50s and 60s jehovah was always referred to as our loving god now we are warned not to fall in the hands of a god to be feared.
when did jws change god from loving to a cruel god?
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Northern California Elder Charged with Lewd Acts with a Child
by cappytan inthis guy, dale standridge, was the coordinator of the body of elders in the eureka east congregation in humboltd county california.
http://johnchiv.blogspot.com/2015/11/100000-bail-for-dale-standbridge.html?m=1.
it's not getting a lot of play in the press for some reason.
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LisaRose
That's the problem, they continue to treat child abuse the same as any other immorality like fornication or adultery. They have even treated underage victims as if they committed fornication and were equally responsible. That is why they will never fix the problem, they often are more sympathetic to the perpetrators than to the victims, accept pathetic denials and excuses and are way to quick to forgive and forget. It's a boys club culture. It's so shocking to me that I didn't know when I was in that only men are important in this organization, women and children are expendable.
Vidiot 3 hours ago
"Immoral practices"???
It's a f**king crime!!
A friend of mine had a child molested by a brother. Although he confessed and was privately reproved, less than a year later he got engaged to a woman with children. My friend felt obligated to warn her of the problem and the elders were quick to act, but not to protect the children, to threaten my friend with being disfellowshipped if she mentioned it again. The brother was repentant and it was forgiven and forgotten, it was not her place to mention it. -
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New Book About Jehovah’s Witnesses Starts Creating a Buzz in The JW and Ex JW Community
by GodZoo ina recently published book, by best selling author eugene walker has started creating a buzz inside the jehovahs witness community.
in his new book, "jehovah's witnesses exposed - what really goes on inside the kingdom hall walls", eugene walker brings to light hidden issues that many jehovah's witnesses now face in the organisation.. .
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2015/11/prweb13083118.htm.
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LisaRose
STEVE2 Eugene strongly warns the reader by saying: “Now if you’re reading this and your conscious is not ready to be shocked beyond belief, then stop reading here. Really. It means this book is not for you
Is that your typo or from the website? It should be conscience, not conscious.
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Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories?
by adjusted knowledge inmy wife is taking a literature course at a local college.
this was her final topic of the semester: why rational people buy into conspiracy theories?i automatically thought of this site and of jws.
the jws i knew, were the kind of people that would believe in conspiracy theories, and i noticed a small following on this site.. the article that was referenced for this course was: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?_r=0.
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LisaRose
Anyway whether inside job or more to the story or not, it won't change my life so I don't waste time thinking about it since my initial research.
Yeah, that is the problem. You read the conspiracy theories, believed it and stopped thinking about it. Did you read anything critical of those conspiracy theories? How much fact checking did you do? Do you know the background and motivations of those who are making these accusations? What about them makes you certain they are being honest and have the expertise to analyze these issues? Have you considered your own motivation in buying into this theory? Does the idea that the government is in a vast conspiracy appeal to you for some reason?
The basic facts of 9/11 have been extensively covered by various government and non government entities, no event in recent memory has been as extensively researched and questioned as much as this event. There were thousands of eyewitnesses to just about every part of it. It's not that it's not impossible that the government might not be capable of lying or covering up if they want to, but the question is, did they in this circumstance? What proof do you have? These are extraordinary claims, for that you need extraordinary proof, not conjecture by people who have no expertise and no proof. If these things were factual, and there was any proof at all, why has not one major media outlet reported on it? What motivation would they have to cover this up? If true, it would be the news story of the century, every reporter in the world would be jumping on it, so why aren't they? Maybe because none of these accusations hold up to scrutiny? Have you considered that? -
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Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories?
by adjusted knowledge inmy wife is taking a literature course at a local college.
this was her final topic of the semester: why rational people buy into conspiracy theories?i automatically thought of this site and of jws.
the jws i knew, were the kind of people that would believe in conspiracy theories, and i noticed a small following on this site.. the article that was referenced for this course was: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?_r=0.
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What do people expect god to do?
by punkofnice ini was watching the news about the french terrorist attacks.
not getting into that but i notice the media is churning it over a bit, now.
moving switly on; there were prayers for peace reported.. question: what do those praying for peace think that god will actually do about their prayers?.
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LisaRose
I don't get offended when people say they are praying for Paris, I think most people just mean they are thinking of them and hope thelat God brings them some spiritual confort in a time of sorrow, I think most people know that God isn't actually going to do anything concrete.
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Silent And Sweet Rebellion Going On Within JW Organization!
by lsw1961 inafter 1975, the vast majority remained as though nothing has happened.
but some left the organization.
however, there arose a third category who did not leave the organization, but brought a new view into their heart: jws are right in their core cause (gods kingdom as the solution to mankinds problems) but may or may not be right in their supplementary teachings, hence are not bothered about changes happening in this unimportant area..
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LisaRose
But here are many people like me still enjoying the countless benefits of JW system by being right in its midst supporting its good contributions,
The contributions the Jehovah's Witnesses have made? What would that be exactly?
The preaching work? For all the hours spent in the ministry, what have they accomplished? Growth is no more than the population growth and most people couldn't tell you what the Jehovah's Witnesses believe, and that's only in Western countries, most people in China have probably never heard of them. Most of the hours reported are spent on coffee breaks, driving around, the meeting for service or standing by a literature cart, in other words completely wasted.
Perhaps you think they have made contributions in people's lives? If the Jehovah's Witness way of life is so much better, why do they have the lowest retention rate of any religion? Why are there so many suicides? Why is there so much depression? Why do they have so many problems with pedophiles? Why are so many reporting that there is no love on the congregations, no joy, no support? Why are the meetings so dry, repetitive and boring?
No, the Jehovah's witnesses have nothing to offer, that is why they are having money troubles right now. If the Jehovah's Witnnesses were happy and fulfilled in their lives they would be gladly supporting the Watchtower with their pocketbooks, but they aren't. If the preaching work was effective there would be growth and the Watchtower wouldn't be shutting down half finished projects and laying people off. Instead of taking care of the spiritual needs of their members, the governing body is consumed with coming up with new ways of getting money and obsessing over tight pants and colorful socks.
So there are no benefits to the Jehovah's Witness way of life, or not any that are better than what any other religion offers. I have attended a few churches, their services were more interesting and spiritually fulfilling that any meeting at a Kingdom Hall. There was love and beautiful music and genuine caring for each other. I was a Jehovah's Witness for thirty years, since I have left I have become a better and happier person. Being a Jehovah's Witness kept me from being my best self, it held me back and taught me nothing useful. It is a religion of fear, obligation and guilt.
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LisaRose
While this is a horrible tragedy, it's not the end of the world, or even the beginning of the end of the world. 127 lives were lost, in a most brutal and horrific way, but the threat to any one individual is still really quite small, so try to keep things in perspective. The threat is real, but it is not hopeless.
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No Kingdom Halls would definitely work!
by John Aquila inlast night we were invited to a get-together with quite a few heavies attendingelders and regular pioneers.
there was beer and later some music.
everyone got relaxed and let down their guard and starting talking all kinds of non-theocratic stuff that you only discuss after a few beers.
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LisaRose
It's just people sitting around stating what they think might happen, I don't think it's all that unbelievable people would be in favor of no meetings. I think most people hate the meetings, they just are afraid to admit it. I don't think it will ever happen though because the Watchtower needs the meetings to control people's time and keep them brainwashed. -
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Pot calling the kettle black? Their "own mouth has testified against them"
by cha ching inhttp://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201511/organized-religion-dying/.
pot calling the kettle black?
no one can do it better than the wt!.
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LisaRose
Yes, people are getting disillusioned with religion, which is why the Watchtower is having trouble paying the bills. Since they have the lowest retention rate of any religion right now obviously young Jehovah's Witnesses are are not finding them trustworthy at alll. They have a lot of nerve trying to pretend they are not being affected as much as any other religion, if not more so.
But I guess they are going with the best defence being a good offence, point the finger at others before they point it at you.
