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  if an atheist does something good...

  by DannyBloem in

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  if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?

  what's your thoughs on this?

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  Some consider evolutionary psychology to be on par with peudoscience. The whole subject is very over-blown, so I wouldn't take too much notice.
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  if an atheist does something good...

  by DannyBloem in

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  if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?

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  Do you think murder is wrong because God says it is wrong or because it ends the life of another human being?
  
  I've been struggling to express myself in this thread due to being so utterly offended by some of the comments made by 'moral Christians'... I'm thankful that others (like Kid-A, funkyderek, etc.) are more eloquent than I am!
  
  
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  Arrogance? When will we humans learn we are not the center of everything?

  by mavie in

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  we humans are an arrogant, anthropocentric species.

  ptolemy posited that the earth was the center of the universe.

  once copernicus began to show that the sun, not earth, was at the center of our solar system, some still believed that the sun at least was the center of the universe.

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  I don't think we are innately anthropocentric, it just seems to be taking a while to shake off outdated and simplistic beliefs.

  If you rephrase the question: "When will all humans have learned we are not the center of everything?" the answer is never. There will always be religion to a greater or lesser degree, there will always be, to a greater or lesser degree, the misunderstanding that homo sapiens is somehow atypically special, and I think this is more often due to simply having not been presented with the facts, rather than arrogance.
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  if an atheist does something good...

  by DannyBloem in

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  if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?

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  LittleToe - is that comment meant for me? If so, can you clarify, because I have no idea what you're talking about (and I'm not being disingenous, just real busy at work right here - maybe I missed something).

  Additionally, let's get down to brass tacks here:

  Can anyone provide me a list of moral teachings that only the Christian religion has brought to the world? That did not exist before Christianity?
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  if an atheist does something good...

  by DannyBloem in

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  if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?

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  Name another religion that has God reaching out to mankind, rather than man having to find God under his own steam?

  Can you give me a concrete example of what you mean by 'God reaching out to mankind'? OK forget that - I answered my own question via Google (assume you mean 'God' sent down his 'son').
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  if an atheist does something good...

  by DannyBloem in

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  if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?

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  What's good for you, may not be good for me. So how do you know what is good and what is evil? Are you saying you are using your own standard?

  Nobody gets their morality solely from a book, that's a ridiculous idea.

  Let's simplify, and say there are two ways to learn morality:

  1. From the experiences you go through as you grow up, seeing your actions and other's actions and how they affect people. All humans have an innate empathy, which helps them to identify suffering in others (although affects some people more than others).

  2. From a parable.

  Are you telling my that no-one learns from their life experience - and they are completely amoral until they read a Bible?

  What about all the people who have never read Bibles - why are they not all immoral?

  Where do my morals come from?

  How do you make a moral judgement about a situation for which the Bible says nothing, or is not clear? I guess you are completely stuck? (of course I don't believe that)
  
  Why does research into moral development not take account of the Bible, if this is the only way people learn morality - have all these researchers completely missed the (apparent) obvious.
  
  When I went to a JW district convention - the main thought running through my head was 'I have never been so insulted in all my life'. This was because all the way through it was implied that someone who is not a JW must completely lack any morals.
  
  I am very surprised to find the same attitude on this forum, directed towards non-Christians.

  It's just fundamentalist Christian fascim.

  Why - when I am an atheist with (apparently) no morals, do I find it offensive and prejudiced to describe whole groups of people as possessing a negative character?

  Who is lacking morals in this situation?
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  if an atheist does something good...

  by DannyBloem in

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  if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?

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  With the world religions we can see all faiths trying to reach out to a God or supernatural being. However there is one faith that shows God reaching out to man and that would be Christianity. One of the very basic traditions is we are called to be witnesses of Christ; this means we are to know God personally

  Does all Christians possess this level of conceit? It's dumbfounding.
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  if an atheist does something good...

  by DannyBloem in

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  if an atheist leads good life with high moral standards, because he choice to do so and thinks for logic it is a good thing, does it not mean much more then when a theist does the same, because his gods tells him to do it?

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  If I may also answer:

  How does an athiest know when he has done something good? Who's standard does he use?

  The same one everyone else uses - the one that's individually developed through human empathy combined with life experience.

  Why - what one do you use?
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  Why is truth is so hard to find in Bible

  by The Dragon in

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  i have been studing it for years looking for answers....yet for every answer i find there is a counter to it.

  the words themselves are twisted by leaders/teachers to fit their personal opinions and adgendas, as well as twisted by trying to rely on our own reasoning to understand them.. a good example would be the way our current system of laws work.. if the supreme court writes a law into the book..say for example.."evil" is anyone who does this....... it is then turned over to a bunch of undereducated enforcers to interpert and judge others they feel are "evil".

  they are allowed to accuse and shoot first asking questions later.

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  Within a few days I started praying and speaking in tongues every night for a whole week! And it was all night long.... eight to ten hours each night.

  Woah.

  Quick, get the net - they're all coming out.
  
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  539 BCE

  by Zico in

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  a quote from this site - http://www.2001translation.com/jerusalem's%20destruction%20587%20or%20607.htm says that 'most historians agree that 539-b.c.e.

  is the date of the overthrow of babylon, for there is much evidence pointing to this.

  so, it is called an absolute date.

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  Oh yes it will because there is always a reward for those who loyally support God's Word.

  Yes exactly, which is not you. You loyally support the WTS. I don't think God will punish you for this, as you do seem sincere in your ignorance. I hope we will take pity on you.