I figured things out on my own. I never would have come to an "apostate" site otherwise. I was out both mentally and physically for about 3 months before I became curious enough to validate my thoughts. That was in 2006.
done4good
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What did you lose your virginity to JWN? Before or after leaving the JWs?
by usualusername ini visited this site about 2 years after leaving?.
when did you first visit jwn?.
paul.
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Bizarre comment about jw.org at SAD
by sir82 inrecently attended a sad.. bethel speaker was gushing about the wt's embrace of new technology, in the part of his talk warning about "apostate" web sites.. a loose summary of his comments:.
"and the brothers at headquarters have made it very safe for you to go to our website.
in fact, the brothers talked to the folks at google, and they made a special arrangement so that when you type in 'j w period' into the google search engine, it automatically shows you the jw.org website.
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done4good
Absolute nonsense about getting Google to change how their search algorithm works.
This is just another piece of evidence of how fearful they are. They were backed into a wall having to adopt technology, both the Internet, (20 years late), and mobile applications, partly to remain relevant in today's society, but also largely for economic reasons. They had no choice.
Peer to peer computer networks, (and the Internet is the mother of them all), are decentralized by design, and redistribute power away from a central source. A hierarchial, authoritarian, high control group like WT wants anything but to be decentralized, and they are running scared for sure.
Popcorn anyone?
d4g
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The Watchtower: Does This Game Of Jenga Ever End?
by metatron inthere are a great many fine posts here - and some from 8 years back - detailing how apathetic and perfunctory the organization has become.. and yet, it still stands, doesn't it?.
is there any point to be reached in this apparent 'experiment in sociology' in which they wake up and say 'screw this?
' if they crammed 10 congregations into one hall and stole the money, would any witnesses wake up?
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It will take time, but the WT is in decline, for sure.
Because many are hurt, they want to see the WT collapse soon. This is in the obvious hope that their loved ones will leave, because they see no other way for them to get out. The truth is, if someone REALLY is of that sort, a collapse of WT will not matter. These poor folks will either find another high control group to join, or loose thier sense of well being altogether. Fortunately, most people do have their limits.
The ones capable of leaving will leave once a certain threshold is exceeded. This is usually caused by something hurtful or disruptive enough to their own lives in some manner. This is what happened to most of us, and we should not expect anything different of anyone else still in. I know some very intelligent people that cannot see their way out, but would if it hit home close enough.
The bottom line is, don't hold out for the collapse. It will happen eventually, but will not cause some mass exodus to get our loved ones out. It will be a long, slow brain drain, where the organization's best and brightest will leave as they are pushed too far.
d4g
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The future of the meetings?
by Kool Jo ini bumped into this website....really interesting:.
you however need a pw to access....if this was more popular, i could see khall attendance dropping, as we know, most people simple go just to appease others: .
http://www.livekingdomhall.com/.
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Vidiot -
I take that as a complement coming from you. I like your posts.
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The future of the meetings?
by Kool Jo ini bumped into this website....really interesting:.
you however need a pw to access....if this was more popular, i could see khall attendance dropping, as we know, most people simple go just to appease others: .
http://www.livekingdomhall.com/.
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Social evolution, laregely driven through technology, will be the WT's undoing, eventually. Even seemingly "good" things from the organization's or JW's perspectve, (such as making it "easier" to attend meetings), really work against the WT's intentions in the long run. The WT is an authoritarian organization with a very hierarchical structure, that completely depends on controlling its subjects. These types of things work to slowly break that structure down.
This is precisely why they are desparate lately.
d4g
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Drinking and JWN
by BU2B ini am drinking a japanese beer called kirin ichiban right now exploring the wonderful threads of the past here on jwn.
i love this forum so much.. how many here enjoy an adult beverage while browsing jwn?
i love all of you guys :).
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done4good
It is 10:30 on Sauturday night, wifey fell asleep watching tv...Listening to ELO's Eldorado and drinking a cabernet while reading. Be even better with some vegatation!
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No need to fake that happiness!
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Really bizarre part on the meeting last night
by stillin inon the service meeting there was a part covering a couple of pages from the tms guidebook chapter on warmth and feeling.
rather than coaching the r&f on how to make a school talk sound warm, it focused on the people that jws meet in their ministry.
basically, the part could have been labelled "how to fake warmth and feeling.
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The meeting that always caused the most cognitive dissonance for me was the Service Meeting. Nothing more than sales instruction.
Integ - I agree. Fake to the core. But as jgnat has mentioned, they actually start to rationalize faking their belief, so they don't even know they are faking it, eventually. I think this is the biggest reason why as jws get older, they either become more hardcore, or they leave either physically, or mentally through apathy.
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How do JWs Not see how barbaric YHWH is? Its what started my awakening.
by BU2B inif one reads genesis from the first chapter through the end with an open mind, it is clear that not only is it not true, but that god is potrayed as a cruel, petty, childish micromanaging tyrant.
if one continues reading the ot this is just further solidified.
how do jws not see the obvious?
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This is precisely the reason why the Borg is as warped as it is. Their fictional leader is biggest narcissist of all. This pretty much allows them to excuse any behavior.
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Why Do Some People Still Disagree With Special Relativity?
by DT ini have to admit that i feel poorly equipped to address this subject.
i'm more interested in the feedback of others than in trying to persuade others of my opinions.
i should also point out that although this topic is specifically about special relativity, much of what is said could also apply to general relativity.. special relativity has had a profound effect on both science and modern culture.
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done4good
From what I can tell, the physics community does not "disagree" with special, (or general), relativity. Any controvesy within the mainstream community deals more the "fundamental" nature of relativity, (or even quantum mechanics), for that manner. This is what leads to things like string theory. String theory, however, has no falsifiable basis, and therefore does not really costitute a theory in scientific terms, and is likely nullified anyway with the discovery of the Higgs boson. Other ideas have been postulated, (and are all the time), but the idea at least since Heisenburg, has been the standard model of quantum mechanics, alongside general relativity when dealing with very large spacetime components. The infinities that result of combining the two in formulae are simply cancelled out to get them to agree. It is the fact this needs to be done that suggests something more fundamental to our universe, (or multiverse), is responsible for the behaviors we can domonstrate both mathmatically and through experimentation for both relativity and the standard model of QM.
In summary, physicists generally DO agree there IS something more fundamental than either.