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  Talking points for reasoning with JWs

  by bluecanary in

  1. watchtower
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  i've emailed this to several people now so figured i might as well post it and share with all.

  the following information has been compiled from various sources on the web, including jwfacts.com and free minds.

  a fraction of it is from my own mind.

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  nameless_one

  Excellent points, marking for reference.
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses even know their own teachings...

  by Tuesday in

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  i've had a rash of people commenting on my videos lately that seem to not even understand their own teachings.

  it leads me to question if jehovah's witnesses can even explain their own beliefs.

  for example if i ask a question about the 1914 doctrine specifically about the biblical backing behind 607 bce being the year for the destruction of jerusalem, 9 times out of 10 i'm going to get some sort of answer that involves the "prophecy" in matthew 24 and how it somehow has been fufilled since 1914.. apart from the fact i honestly don't think i can find a jehovah's witness who will actually understand the question at hand enough to answer the points therein, i'm to the point where i don't know if jehovah's witnesses even understand their own teachings.

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  No. The majority don't. And they don't care. For them, faith in the doctrine is more important and desirable than understanding the doctrine itself.

  
  
  This has certainly been my experience as well. For context, I have never been a JW myself but rather am a person who has been trying to get a loved one out. One of the very first things I discovered in the midst of all my research, is that he doesn't fully know or understand what the heck he believes but "believes" it anyway! This is indeed extremely frustrating and almost impossible to debate or reason against. I have found over and over again that before we can discuss how or why a particular point is questionable, I first have to explain to him WHAT IT IS THAT HE "BELIEVES" and *then* attempt to explain why it is questionable -- how screwed up is that?? Plus it doesn't do a whit of good anyway, I mean a person who basically admits "I don't really understand what the teaching is but whatever it is I believe it" well yeah. I gave up on logical debate long ago. The YouTube responses you describe sound painfully familiar to me; at least with my own JW, I would say that he genuinely believes the parroted response is a valid response and thinks no further beyond that, end of discussion. It is maddening :-(
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  Scariest Movie you have ever seen?

  by Layla33 in

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  2. friends

  i know as exjws, probably for the most, there was a secret freedom in watching horror films without thinking you would have a demon as a bed buddy.. i am not very fond of every horror movie, but i will watch those that have an intelligent side to it and is not gore for the sake of gore.

  like "the ring" got me going when i first watched it, just like "the blair witch project" did, which is more about suspense.

  anyway, i never saw any of the saw movies, so i am going to try to watch saw iii tonight, since it is on showtime.

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  nameless_one

  DJK thank you for the PM about Danvers! It is fascinating. I have sent you a PM back.
  
  

  When I was a kid there was a film called "Asylum" that scared the crap out of me--couldn't sleep well for days after I saw it. I still can't believe my Witness mom took me to see this film when I was only 9 years old!

  
  
  lol, I saw that movie in the theater too, at about the same age! The body parts wrapped in brown paper gave me nightmares *shudder* That reminds me of another movie I saw when I was a little kid, "The Little Girl Who Lives Down the Lane." That one scared the crap out of me too. My dad was very much into spooky and scary stuff, so I got exposed to a lot of "age-inappropriate" books and movies when I was a kid lol. That's probably a big part of why I like scary stuff so much now as an adult.
  
  It would be interesting to see some of the scary movies from childhood again as an adult. They'd probably seem a lot less frightening now, maybe even comical lol.
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  Scariest Movie you have ever seen?

  by Layla33 in

  1. jw
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  i know as exjws, probably for the most, there was a secret freedom in watching horror films without thinking you would have a demon as a bed buddy.. i am not very fond of every horror movie, but i will watch those that have an intelligent side to it and is not gore for the sake of gore.

  like "the ring" got me going when i first watched it, just like "the blair witch project" did, which is more about suspense.

  anyway, i never saw any of the saw movies, so i am going to try to watch saw iii tonight, since it is on showtime.

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  I worked at this hospital in the kitchen when I was 19. Many of the scenes were from the kitchen area. Working there was creepier than the movie.

  
  
  Really?? I became obsessed with that place after seeing this film, if you are willing to share any of your experiences there I would be fascinated to hear them. I'm on my way out for the day but it would be so cool to return to a post about this if you're willing to share. Also, do you still live in the area? It was my understanding that a lot of people vigorously protested the demolition of the complex, even though it had deteriorated so badly over time. Was the community generally sad or glad to see it gone?
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  Scariest Movie you have ever seen?

  by Layla33 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know as exjws, probably for the most, there was a secret freedom in watching horror films without thinking you would have a demon as a bed buddy.. i am not very fond of every horror movie, but i will watch those that have an intelligent side to it and is not gore for the sake of gore.

  like "the ring" got me going when i first watched it, just like "the blair witch project" did, which is more about suspense.

  anyway, i never saw any of the saw movies, so i am going to try to watch saw iii tonight, since it is on showtime.

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  nameless_one

  I don't like gore but I LOVE scary films. Some of my favorites:
  
  1) "Ringu" and "The Ring" (both versions had some really good stuff going on, I don't think one was really better than the other, both were great)
  
  2) "Audition" (just plain freaky)
  
  3) "Blair Witch Project" (I knew it was fake but it still scared the crap out of me for months after the fact. Actually, the whole Web presence prior to the film was scarier than the movie itself imho, I was freaked out way before it even hit the theaters lol)
  
  4) "Session 9" (this is my favorite scary movie of all time. I hate David Caruso with a passion, but he actually worked in this movie. This film was as much about set and location and atmosphere as it was about story. Anyone into urban exploration of creepy abandoned sites will get off on this movie. It was filmed at the long-abandoned Danvers Asylum in Mass., which has since been demolished.)
  
  I'm also a big Stephen King fan, but almost without exception it's his books I like and not so much the movies. Actually I prefer any scary book over a scary movie, as the freedom of imagination plays a hugely important role in fear :-)
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  If you could only have one

  by John Doe in

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  would you choose a kiss or a hug?

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  if the person is the object of your most powerful desire orif the person is the most loathsome of objects to you

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  Okay this is a rather weird question lol. I guess I'd say Hug to both too, different kinds of hugs obviously (or maybe "air-kissing" for the loathsome person). Incidentally, I have heard that the one thing most prostitutes absolutely will not do with their "clients" is kiss them. In many ways, a kiss can be more intimate than any other physical act.
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  She Would Have Been Better Off A JW……

  by DJQuimica in

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  well i have been wanting to tell this story for some time now.

  does anyone believe that a person is better becoming a jw?

  i ask this question because i have carried this around with me for some years now.

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  I agree with you there DJ_Q, I don't think death is better but there's a big grey area between wild worldly and strict JW. If she had become JW and pioneered and all that, she might still be alive but would she be the same woman? Would she be happy? The cost would have been basically giving up herself to become something else entirely, and I do think that can be a horrible fate for anyone.
  
  I understand a lot of what you're asking, not to the same degree of loss by any means but I also am struggling with the idea of when or if it is better for someone you love to be a JW than not. There are no easy answers, but in your case I just hope you're not looking back and beating yourself up with "what if." She made her choices, they ended very badly but at least they were her own.
  
  Again, I am really sorry for your loss, and I'm also sorry if I'm coming across as insensitive, that is not my intent at all.
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  She Would Have Been Better Off A JW……

  by DJQuimica in

  1. social
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  well i have been wanting to tell this story for some time now.

  does anyone believe that a person is better becoming a jw?

  i ask this question because i have carried this around with me for some years now.

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  I think there are some people who are "better off" remaining a JW, but I really don't think ANYONE is better off becoming one.
  
  That is a tragic story you shared. It sounds like this lady was full of life and passion and a wild streak, and it is really sad that she died so young and violently. But a personality like that, stifled by the WTS, would have likely died a long slow death in the organization, and that could have been a worse fate imho. I hope that doesn't sound insensitive, I don't mean it that way. But staying alive by not really living, is worse than dying I think.
  
  I'm sorry to know of your loss, she sounds like an interesting lady who embraced life in her own way.
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  One of many problems with evolution

  by jaguarbass in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  frozen aircraft shock .

  i'm still in shock!

  are these aircraft found buried in ice, more than 3,000 years old -- or what?.

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  "Dr." Kent Hovind is a kook with a capital K. Any assertion, scientific or otherwise, that cites him as the primary authoritative source is questionable at best (trying to be kind here).
  
  Also, as others have pointed out, this has nothing to do with evolution.
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  Anyone have a soft spot for old video games?

  by John Doe in

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  2. friends

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bco8bepgzi0.

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  nameless_one

  Pong! (Yes I am old lol.) And Space Invaders and Asteroids.