Posts by DevonMcBride

Considering that the activity of groups, sects or sectarian associations is a fully developing phenomenon, more and more multiform, all over the world and that even in Italy the spreading, the effect and the social alarm following utter phenomena of mental control, have made topical and necessary legislative measures, some members of the Italian Senate have put in action some specific means, such as Bills whose aim is to oppose “a technique which is able to destroy an individual's identity… a set of influences able to destroy and substitute the system of beliefs, behaviours, ways of thinking, method of interacting with other human beings. A different mental aspect the individual would never choose and accept as his own identity".

The Meeting in Florence “Minds as Hostages” aims to show a panorama on the present situation; on that occasion three Senators are going to explain their Bills and the reasons that lead them to promote them.

The Senators are: Francesco Bosi, Renato Meduri and Maria Elisabetta Alberti Casellati. Here below we report some parts of their Bills.

BILL N. 4605
Sen. Francesco Bosi
1. According to art. 82 of the Constitution, a Parliamentary Board has been founded in order to inquiry about sects and all the activities linked to them, with the purpose of:
a) verifying the accomplishment of the laws in force, in order to propose a normative solution against the unlawful practices of sects and the damages they cause to society, families and in particular to underage people;
b) verifying their behaviour from a financial and fiscal point of view, and particularly to verify the amount of their patrimony, the international financial links, and their ability to interfere in the economic system of the country;
c) investigating in order to cast light upon the organization of sects and the repercussions it has on the safeguard of public order and the respect of people's right;
d) identifying possible unlawful links with organized crime;
e) controlling the living condition of the underage people who live in their communities and check the compliance to compulsory education;
f) finding the abuses concerning the medical profession;
g) verifying the use of unlawful methods of mind manipulation in order to indoctrinate followers;
h) ascertaining the identity of the phenomenon of the victims of sects with particular concern to physic, psychic and moral damages undergone by former followers and underage people;
i) reporting to Parliament at the end of the work and every time the necessity is recognized.
BILL N. 800
Sen. Renato Meduri
Art 1.
1. Every person who, by means of violence, threatens, suggestions or any other means, conditions or forces other people's will so to create a state of subjections that destroys or limits the freedom to act, the ability to decide and to escape other people's decisions, will be punished being confined for a period from six to twelve years.
2. An aggravating circumstance can be seen if, with the means mentioned in paragraph 1, the victim is lead to perform actions that are dangerous for himself or for other people's physic or psychic integrity.
3. If the facts mentioned in paragraph 1 and 2 concern a person who is under 18 years of age, the sentence cannot be less than 10 years of confinement.

BILL N. 1777
Sen. M. Elisabetta A Casellati
Art 1.
After art. 613 of Penal Code there is the following:
"Art 613-bis – (Mind manipulation).
Everyone who, by using violence, threatens, chemic means, surgical operations, or psychological practices to condition people's personality, creates a state of subjections that destroys or limits the freedom to act, the ability to decide and to escape other people's decisions, in order to lead him to commit an action or an omission seriously detrimental, is punished by being confined for a period from four to eight years.
If this action is committed inside a group that promotes activities that aim to create or exploit psychological or physical dependence in the persons who belong to the group, the punishment mentioned in the first paragraph is increased of a third".

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Were there other Christs?

by JH in

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matthew 24:5 .

5. for many shall come in my name, saying, i am christ; and shall 1deceive many.

that was written 2000 years ago.

DevonMcBride

Read this book

The Christ Conspiracy, The Greatest Story Ever Sold by Acharya S

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I watched the CBS news

by DJ in

long segment.

i'm sad that they did not report the fact that where there is no law to report molesters......the jw's don't.

that being said would have made an impact.

DevonMcBride

One thing Bill said even shocked me.

Bill Bowen says by the end of the year he expects at least 100 lawsuits to be filed against the faith

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It's Posted on CBS Web Site

by DevonMcBride in

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/08/01/eveningnews/main15214.shtml

here's an early look at one of the stories we are working on for tuesday's broadcast of the cbs evening news.

beyond the catholic church scandal.

DevonMcBride

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/08/01/eveningnews/main15214.shtml

Here's an early look at one of the stories we are working on for Tuesday's broadcast of THE CBS EVENING NEWS. Beyond the Catholic Church scandal. Another religious group is facing allegations of widespread sexual abuse. EYE ON AMERICA investigates.

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Why is it that in the GB there are mostly men of German descent?

by azaria in

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or maybe some are austrian?.

im not trying to offend any german people that may be on this board and if i did i apologize because that was not my intent.

but i do think that some do have a need to be in control.

DevonMcBride

A better question would be Why are they mostly, if not all Americans? If God chose them to be a worldwide religion, why aren't they represented by having a GB made up of worldwide citizens?

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WT to lose Tax Exemption on Property

by DevonMcBride in

http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2003/04/27/bl427edi.htm

n.y.: put the brakes on the free rides.

"new york state is one of most generous states in the union toward tax exempts.

DevonMcBride

http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2003/04/27/bl427edi.htm

N.Y.: Put the brakes on the free rides "New York state is one of most generous states in the union toward tax exempts. That is not why we are here, but as long as that is the law, we will take advantage of what the law provides."
– Kirby Flodin, facilities manager at Jehovah's Witness Watchtower facility in Shawangunk, the largest not-for profit in the area with nearly $120 million in land.

And that's why it's time for New York state to become a bit more stingy on who gets a tax break, because as the law stands now, the "haves" are getting a free ride while the "have-nots" are paying the tab.
And that's why we support the efforts by state Sen. John Bonacic and Sen. Elizabeth Little, who have introduced legislation to tighten what they perceive as loopholes and abuse of the tax system in New York.
Counties, cities, towns and villages in the mid-Hudson and Catskills are losing millions of dollars from not-for-profit organizations. On average, nearly 16 percent of all the property in these municipalities is tax exempt in some fashion (not-for-profit, STAR, veterans, government). In some of our towns (Fallsburg, Goshen and Highlands) more than 40 percent of the property is off the rolls.
The problem for municipalities is the lack of a definitive definition for not-for-profit organizations, as well as an inability to tax property owned by these organizations, but not directly used for not-for-profit purposes.
Religious groups, the Boy Scouts of America and YMCA, for example, can purchase property not used exclusively for the purpose of the group – or use a site for just two months of the year – and still receive a full tax exemption.
An investigation by the Times Herald-Record found some real examples:
-- The Boy Scouts of America's New York City council, based in Manhattan, owns 8,000 acres in the Sullivan County Town of Tusten. A few miles away in the Sullivan Town of Forestburgh, two New Jersey-based Boy Scout troops not only own tax-exempt property, but sell timber from the tax-free land and keep the profits.
-- The Buddhist Society of Wonderful Enlightenment bought a 197-acre farm in the Town of Crawford in Orange County. The group has its mail sent to its New York City address. It has not built anything new on the property. And it pays no taxes on it.
"In 30 years the courts have interpreted what is charitable, what is education, what is 'moral betterment.' It is anything you want it to be. Anyone can come in and file a 503 [not-for-profit-status] and your hands are tied," Bonacic says.
He spent weeks touring the three counties, hearing from property owners upset that their taxes rise every year, while at the same time an increasing number of organizations move down the road, claim an exemption and live tax-free.
Bonacic says it's time for a change to the tax-exempt system in this state and we couldn't agree more. The free rides must end soon, because more of us just can't afford to get behind the wheel.

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CBS News mentioned child abuse story

by DevonMcBride in

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tonight they were advertising upcoming stories for next weeks news and they brought up child abuse within another religion.

they didn't say it was the jw's so maybe that will peak curiousity and bring in more viewers.. devon.

DevonMcBride

Tonight they were advertising upcoming stories for next weeks news and they brought up child abuse within another religion. They didn't say it was the JW's so maybe that will peak curiousity and bring in more viewers.

Devon

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