Faith x medicine
Civil police goes to investigate death
Inquiry on girl that refused to submit it blood transfusion must be concluded in 30 days
Diogo Vargas
Florianopolis
The Civil Police of Florianopolis goes to investigate the circumstances of the death of the young of 19 years-old, follower of the religion JW, who refused to submit it blood transfusion. It died in result of a leukemia in the monday to the night in the Celso Ramos Hospital, in Florianopolis.
Commission agent Marlus Malinverni, coordinator of the Central office of Police of the Capital, said yesterday that already they are being taken steps to select the fact, that raised controversy on the ethical position of the doctors who had respected the autonomy of the patient.
The police inquest will have to be concluded in 30 days. The Public Prosecution Service of Santa Catarina informed, by means of the press assessorship, that goes to wait the work of the Civil Police to disclose itself on the oferecimento of denunciation or not to Justice.
Parallel to the verification of the policy, the Counsil of the Medicine Profession of Santa Catarina (Cremesc) opened an investigation, as he informed in the tuesday the medical president of the entity Wilmar Athayde Gerent. In the Celso Ramos Hospital, a commission of ethics formed for five doctors will analyze the procedure adopted with the young.
The director technician of the institution, Ranulfo Goldschmidt, denied that the patient has received alternative medication in the hospital for being JW. "It received used medicines in the chemotherapy that are used estimulators of the marrow and in other patients", emphasized the doctor, mentioning itself it the use of the eritropoitina and granuloquine. It reiterated the option of the medical team of the hospital in respecting the autonomy of the patient, who did not accept in hypothesis some the blood transfusion, but recognized that the accomplishment of the procedure was not aggravation for the death of the young.
AN again looked yesterday to the doctor Zelita da Silva Souza, who took care of of the patient, but it was not found. The hematologist also is JW. But the direction certified that the religious linking of it does not intervene with the installment of the service.
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Another Brazilian Transfusion Case
by rosa innow, a jw physician is envolved.
police will investigate the 19 years old woman's death and the paper of hospital, lhc elders and jw doctor.
all in portuguese, in these links: .
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rosa
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Another Brazilian Transfusion Case
by rosa innow, a jw physician is envolved.
police will investigate the 19 years old woman's death and the paper of hospital, lhc elders and jw doctor.
all in portuguese, in these links: .
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rosa
well, i'll try (using BabelFish)
Faith x medicine
When the religion hits in ethics
Young woman that refused transfusion of blood dies of leukemia
Golden J. Arendartchuk
Jaragua do Sul
The death of a girl of 19 years for leukemia, in the night of monday, Florianopolis, relit controversy that involves the religious and ethical belief of the professional of the medicine. Follower of the religion JW, the young woman knew that she was with leukemia has about one month, when was to visit its mother in Curitiba.
In the Hospital Erasto Gaetner, she was informed that the indicated treatment would be the blood transfusion. She was informed, also, that she would have few possibilities of life. But, despite the gravity of the case, it opposed to carry through it the procedure because its religion hinders. It arrived to sign a responsibility term. By means of the church, the young discovered that in the Celso Ramos Hospital , in Florianopolis, a hematologist doctor of the same religion existed that made alternative treatment. Medicines to stimulate the production of the blood had been used, but the girl did not resist.
Son of separate parents, the girl liveed with the father since the 12 years. She has six years, adhered to the religion of the father, Witness of Jehovah, as well as the brother oldest, today with 24 years.
The internment of the young woman in the Celso Ramos Hosp occurred day November 21 in an area where other patients of the same religion also were being taken care of for the doctor. During 21 days, it received the treatment alternative. In the last days, already it breathed with aid of devices and it died in result of complications of the illness.
according to Regional chairman of the Medicine Counsil of Santa Catarina (Cremesc), Wilmar Athayde Gerent then that the agency was informed on the case, consulted the direction technique of the Celso Ramos Hospital. Gerent remembered that the hospital informed that the father of the young woman and the lawyer of the church had soldier on barrack duty the blood transfusion, endorsed for the power of attorney signed for the proper young.
The order of the advice was for the descredenciamento of the doctor who dealt with the girl, what she did not occur. "the doctor has to make of everything to save the patient and this if he deals with ethics. It implies, also, in not leaving itself to influence for beliefs or religions ", salient. The Cremesc, now, goes to open investigation to select the case.
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Absence of procedure aggravated picture
Florianopolis
The direction of the Celso Ramos Hospital, in Florianopolis, where the young was interned, considers the not-accomplishment of the blood transfusion as factor aggravation for its death. The director technician of the institution, Ranulfo Goldschmidt, said that the procedure would be important ahead of the picture of extreme anemia, but that the doctors had decided to respect the autonomy of the patient, who, in hypothesis some, it wanted to receive blood.
Goldschmidt and the clinical director, Evandro Tostes Martins, had talked with the young in the monday on the transfusion. "It was discerning, conscientious, guided and said that, in hypothesis some, would accept the transfusion", the doctor told. "This is a question that represents a great ethical quandary and is object of quarrel in world-wide medical literature", it emphasized. Besides having demonstrated the position, the patient left for writing its will.
The doctor informed to have been the first case of death of a JW who did not accept the transfusion since 1999, period where he acts in the place. The girl, who if dealt with leukemia, had finished the medication phase and the treatment of chemotherapy. Goldschmidt observed that the trend age of recovery and that the death at this moment caused surprise for the doctors. (Diogo Vargas)
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Decision divides the patient family
The death of the young of 19 years caused quarrel between the family and the medical classroom. Of a side, they are the father, the brother, the boyfriend and friends who frequent the church Witness of Jehovah. Of another one, the mother (separate she has 19 years), the maternal stepfather and uncles, who are catholics and they are not satisfied themselves with the refusal of the young woman and other familiar ones that they had not supported the transfusion.
The brother oldest of the girl affirms that the witnesses of Jehovah do not refuse themselves to make medical treatment. "we do not only accept blood transfusion. E so that this does not occur we appeal to other methods of the medicine, that is very advanced, to save lives ", adds.
For the followers, the blood transfusion is a so serious sin how much the fornication and the idolatria. It would be a form "to contaminate the soul". In the opinion of the brother of the young woman, the gravity of the illness was what it took the sister to the death and does not lack it of the procedure. The young was embedded in the end of the afternoon of yesterday, in Jaraguá of the South.
The Brazilian Association of Linfoma and Leukemia (Abrale) also was contacted by the familiar ones that they said to have restricted visit to the patient. As well as the excessively following ones, the young woman also had a power of attorney signed for it, the father and another integrant one of the church that consisted the impediment of procedures with the blood use. (AA)
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Program takes care of witnesses of Jehovah in hospital
The hematologist Zelita da Silva Souza took care of of the treatment of the patient. She also is JW and acts in a program of the Celso Ramos Hospital, that take care of for the SUS [Brazilian health care], specific for patients of this religion. according to managing technician of the institution, Ranulfo Goldschmidt, the religious linking of the doctor does not represent no interference in the installment of the service and the procedures. Zelita takes care of to the mondays in the hospital. It was looked by telephone yesterday in its clinic, but she was not found. The news article asked for so that it returned the linking, what she did not occur until the closing of this edition.
according to elder Pedro dos Santos - equivalent the shepherd for the JWs - for belief questions, the followers of the religion search in the medicine all the possible alternatives for treatments that substitute the blood transfusion. "We have the right not to opt to something that we do not agree and that we judge to be against what we follow, Bible."(AA and DV) -
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Another Brazilian Transfusion Case
by rosa innow, a jw physician is envolved.
police will investigate the 19 years old woman's death and the paper of hospital, lhc elders and jw doctor.
all in portuguese, in these links: .
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rosa
Now, a JW physician is envolved. Police will investigate the 19 years old woman's death and the paper of hospital, LHC elders and JW doctor.
All in Portuguese, in these links:
http://an.uol.com.br/2006/dez/13/0des.jsp
http://an.uol.com.br/2006/dez/14/0ger.jsp (under Fe' x Medicina - Polícia Civil vai investigar morte) -
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Judicial Committee Audio Recording
by Shaolu inabout a week ago i had my little meeting with "the bobs" (yuk yuk), and i got the whole thing digitally recorded.
it's available online, along with a written transcript here...
http://www.ichthusstudios.org/cults/jw/
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I understand Wasanelder, but I'm with Shaolu. I'll do the same thing, because I DON'T TRUST ELDERS! My little experience among JWs and elders shows me that elders may do ANYTHING to protect WTBTS... even lie and others crimes. Specially when elders met with sisters. What are they do??? So I have to do something, and a simple recorder give me a bit of protection. I have a friend and she was another elders' victim. An elder wanted to df'd her based in lies. No record was did. Another elder was contacted to us to said all related things by the elder. If we have this minimal evidence, we'll go to police and make that elder tell ALL LIES that "brothers" tell him and sue him! But no factual evidence. Just stories from my friend. I believed her not because she's my friend, but because I known her very well for decades. She tell me that in the middle of the chat, the elder say: "it's a poker's game". So, I remember that ABBA lyrics: "But I was a fool, playing by the rules". And it happens when we play by the rules with this kind of elders: we loose ever. I grant Shaolu, because he played with elders by using the their rules. a JW friend tells me: "outlaw has of being treated as outlaw". And until if it proves the opposite, these elders didn't pass of outlaws for me.
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JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT
by Dogpatch inhttp://www.osce.org/odihr/16533.html.
so, you say that jehovah's witnesses aren't "political" or take any part in the affairs of the world?
http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2006/10/21654_en.pdf what does the watchtower say about "political" involvement?
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More information about JW and OSCE:
http://br.geocities.com/rad_contato/osce_e.html
my thanks to AlsoSpracht for english translation of this page
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JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT
by Dogpatch inhttp://www.osce.org/odihr/16533.html.
so, you say that jehovah's witnesses aren't "political" or take any part in the affairs of the world?
http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2006/10/21654_en.pdf what does the watchtower say about "political" involvement?
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rosa
i'm trouble with html text in this computer, so I wish that forum administrator deletes one of my messages above.
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JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT
by Dogpatch inhttp://www.osce.org/odihr/16533.html.
so, you say that jehovah's witnesses aren't "political" or take any part in the affairs of the world?
http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2006/10/21654_en.pdf what does the watchtower say about "political" involvement?
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rosa
Look at this goals found in OASCE website: http://194.8.63.155/item/20056.html Freedom of religion or belief Across the OSCE region, many individuals and groups face restrictions on their right to freedom of religion or belief. Problems include discrimination against individuals in the workplace and public services, defamation campaigns against minority religions or belief groups, the disruption or prohibition of worship even in private homes, censorship of religious literature, and imprisonment of those who object to military service on religious grounds. These restrictions may be a direct result of state legislation and policies, or, in other cases, they may arise as a result of a lack of protective action from state authorities, often in the face of a dominant religious majority. An Advisory Panel of Experts on Freedom of Religion or Belief has been established to serve primarily as an advisory and consultative body that highlights issues or trends that deserve attention and suggests constructive approaches that might be undertaken by the ODIHR to advance religious freedom. The Panel consists of eminent experts from different backgrounds and of various faiths from throughout the OSCE region. Members serve in their personal capacities as experts and do not represent any organization or confession. The ODIHR makes the Panel's expertise available to participating States and to OSCE field missions, and experts from the Panel are ready to give advice and to mediate, upon request. The Panel has undertaken a number of activities and projects, including: Legislative reviews for governments, on request, to help them bring their legislation into line with international standards; Publishing Guidelines for Review of Legislation Pertaining to Religion or Belief, which were drafted by members of the Panel of Experts in association with the Council of Europe's Venice Commission; Development of new legislation intended to foster improved relations among religious groups, including in post-conflict societies; Promoting dialogue between governments and religious groups, as called for in OSCE commitments.
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JWs in world politics: Jehovah's Witnesses Are "Politically" Neutral - NOT
by Dogpatch inhttp://www.osce.org/odihr/16533.html.
so, you say that jehovah's witnesses aren't "political" or take any part in the affairs of the world?
http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2006/10/21654_en.pdf what does the watchtower say about "political" involvement?
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rosa
Look at this goals found in OASCE website: http://194.8.63.155/item/20056.html Freedom of religion or belief Across the OSCE region, many individuals and groups face restrictions on their right to freedom of religion or belief. Problems include discrimination against individuals in the workplace and public services, defamation campaigns against minority religions or belief groups, the disruption or prohibition of worship even in private homes, censorship of religious literature, and imprisonment of those who object to military service on religious grounds. These restrictions may be a direct result of state legislation and policies, or, in other cases, they may arise as a result of a lack of protective action from state authorities, often in the face of a dominant religious majority. An Advisory Panel of Experts on Freedom of Religion or Belief has been established to serve primarily as an advisory and consultative body that highlights issues or trends that deserve attention and suggests constructive approaches that might be undertaken by the ODIHR to advance religious freedom. The Panel consists of eminent experts from different backgrounds and of various faiths from throughout the OSCE region. Members serve in their personal capacities as experts and do not represent any organization or confession. The ODIHR makes the Panel's expertise available to participating States and to OSCE field missions, and experts from the Panel are ready to give advice and to mediate, upon request. The Panel has undertaken a number of activities and projects, including: Legislative reviews for governments, on request, to help them bring their legislation into line with international standards; Publishing Guidelines for Review of Legislation Pertaining to Religion or Belief, which were drafted by members of the Panel of Experts in association with the Council of Europe's Venice Commission; Development of new legislation intended to foster improved relations among religious groups, including in post-conflict societies; Promoting dialogue between governments and religious groups, as called for in OSCE commitments.
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What's The Difference Between A Normal Person & A Jehovah's Witness???
by minimus inthere are many differences between a "worldly" person aka "normal" and a jw.
for example, a jw is horrified by christmas lights.
it's the work of the devil!
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my bets:
the difference between a normal person and a JW is this:
one is JW and the other isn't JW.
in both cases we find good and wicked persons.
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2006 WorldWide Service Report
by Midget-Sasquatch inhere it is scanned straight from the feb 1 2007 wt:.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5103/rep01dc4.jpg.
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3761/rep02xh5.jpg.
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a little upgrade that WTBST forgot... http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/file/E49158B6-09C8-4B07-9F33-D0C00041A614.ashx