Posts by LtCmd.Lore

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The Need To Question Atheism

by The wanderer in

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the need to question atheism this need to question atheism stems from the fact there are some individuals.

on this board that subscribe to such.

the questions stated are not for some.

LtCmd.Lore

**** Perhaps you should try READING the actual post before COMMENTING on it Danny the man. I answered that question in detail. Like the answer or not like it, it's there in black and white print.

Please read the 'Huge posts' section from the how to think like a fundy website, under 'debating techniques'.

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The Need To Question Atheism

by The wanderer in

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the need to question atheism this need to question atheism stems from the fact there are some individuals.

on this board that subscribe to such.

the questions stated are not for some.

LtCmd.Lore

Well vinny, that's a pretty interesting arguement that you copied and pasted for us. (Just pick any sentence in that illustration and google it, and you'll see what I mean.)

Unfortunately it is based on a completely incorrect concept of evolution. And makes the common mistake of equating naturalness with randomness. While it's true that mutations are mostly random, natural selection is anything but random.

Plus, the car doesn't reproduce at all, therefore removing any chance of mutations, or progressions from simpler organisms/vehicles.... It's about as illogical as assuming a human spontaniously formed as a fully grown adult from the dust around him. (Sound familiar?)

And, you say that it's a perfectly formed automobile... I have never seen a 'perfect' animal, they all have flaws. Every species has plenty of room for improvement.

So in short, here's the problems with your illustration:

It operates purely according to random chance. Unlike evolution.
It is an example of single-step, rather than cumulative, selection. Unlike evolution.
It is a saltationary jump - an end product entirely unlike the beginning product. Unlike evolution.

Also you used a mechanical object made from metal and man made materials, not natural things like cells and tissue. That's probably also a serious problem... I'll look it up.

EVEN IF it started out as a wheel, and was capable of reproduction and mutation, and was subject to natural selection. It still wouldn't work, because cars are MADE FOR humans, whereas every lifeform in existence evolved to make ITS OWN survival more likely, not something else. Cars would be incapable of surviving without humans.

Trees don't make fruit in order to serve humans, they make fruit because animals will take the fruit and therefore spread the seeds and help that species of tree survive.

Lastly, this is an arguement against complexity. The car it to complex to form without a designer, therefore the human is to complex to form without a designer... but it ignores the fact that ANY god that created the humans would ALSO be extremely complex. Most likely more complex. And so therefore, it is just as unlikely for and all-knowing all-powerfull god to apear out of thin air, as it is for biological humans to appear out of thin air. (Which it NOT what atheists think anyway.)

So then: "Sorry but you are DEAD IN WATER"

Maybe tomorrow I'll confront your other extremely long arguements...

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I can imagine a world where God's existence would be an undeniable fact.

I can imagine a world where cities in heathen nations regularly exploded in flames for no apparent reason; a world where we could go to the Middle East and see the entrance to the Garden of Eden, locked and barred and guarded by a flaming sword, with misty green Paradise visible in the distance beyond the gates; a world where angels flew alongside planes blowing trumpets and calling on sinners to repent. I can imagine a world of miracles and spirits, where faith healers could cure severed spinal cords or regenerate lost limbs, where prophets called fire from heaven, sent rain, parted seas and multiplied loaves and fishes, where voices boomed from the sky in answer to prayers, and where the entire geologic record consisted of fossils randomly jumbled throughout strata of flood-deposited sediments. I can readily imagine a world like this.

However, we don't live in that world.

In fact, the world we live in seems to be a distinctly natural one. There are no prophets, no angels, no Garden of Eden in the Middle East, and no trace of a global flood in the geologic record. Claims of miracles invariably turn out to be either trivial, anecdotal or spurious. The sadly gullible souls who trust in the powers of faith healers often wind up worse off than they were before, even dead. The era of true divine intervention, when miracles were real and the presence of God was undeniable, seems to be always in the past, always receding further into history.

In short, the world we live in is essentially indistinguishable from one in which there is no supernatural at all.

____ I openly admit, that last bit was taken from another site:

here it is if you're interested.

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Who here are basically athiest now???

by What-A-Coincidence in

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*raises hand.

a few interesting quotes:.

"religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies.

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Who here are basically athiest now???

Me.

I am an atheist. So, while I accept the idea that there may theoretically be some form of superior entity out there somewhere, there is simply so little evidence to support that theory that it would be foolish for me to base any aspect of my life on it.

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Silly Things You Can Do For Which Jehovah Will Kill You...

by gaiagirl in

i was thinking about all the various people who the bible says have been killed by jehovah or his angels for various acts of disobedience.

here are a few of the ones i thought of....feel free to add your own eating a piece of fruit (slow death, 930 years) picking up some sticks on the sabbath preventing the ark of the covenant from falling when the guy carrying it stumbles living in a city where your family has lived for generations, in a region where jehovah has "given" the land to his "chosen" people dancing for your victorious warrior father, not knowing he has vowed to offer the first one out of the house as a burnt offering.

disagreeing with moses

LtCmd.Lore

Living in a time when the king he chose decides to take a census.

Celebrating a birthday. (undocumented)

Asking for meat.

Being a firstborn in a land with a disobedient pharaoh.

Coming out of the house to greet your father after a war.

Watching the smurfs. (undocumented)

Not cutting off a certain part of your genitals that he created.

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Come, worship a god who wants parents to stone their children to death!

by jambon1 in

no thanks.. disgusting!.

LtCmd.Lore

It is clearly the JW understanding, and teaching, of God, you have an issue with.
If you researched history and thought about it you might come to a different conclusion.

Acctually, that's simply not correct. The dubs try to tone him down quite a bit, the recent thread about their view on Jephthahs daughtor proves that. It's the BIBLE god that I have a problem with.

The bible plainly states that parents must stone their disobedient children to death, for brattiness, choosing a different religion, having sex before marriage, striking the parent (What if the parent is a creep and deserves it?) and other such 'horrible crimes'.

Exodus 21:15, 17; Matthew 15:4; Mark 7:10. Deuteronomy 13:6-11

I HAVE researched it and I HAVE thought about it. And I've decided that even if that god did exist, he would not deserve my worship.

If you happen to be interested in researching it too, check this out: www.evilbible.com I sincerely hope you're shocked...

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Come, worship a god who wants parents to stone their children to death!

by jambon1 in

no thanks.. disgusting!.

LtCmd.Lore

They way some of them act, they should be stoned!!!!!!!!!
Then there won't be anymore juvenile deliquency!!!!!!!

No.... you don't get it. The reason they are juvenile delinquents is BECAUSE they're stoned...

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Angels- how do they help direct the preaching work?

by architect in

how does the angels actually help in the preaching work ?

how does one know if they are guided?.

and since some other religions are growing because of them spreading the "gospel", could they also be getting help from the angels?.

LtCmd.Lore

If you can't determine whether someone is doing their job or not... they should be fired.

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"This could be the last Memorial before Armageddon"

by south african beef in

has anyone said that to you this year?.

in 1975 i distinctly remember it being said in our congregation with an air of near certainty - i was 13.. now, over 30 years later for just the 3rd time in my life i'm not going and next year will make it the 4th.. that's unless this really is the last one this time!.

LtCmd.Lore

On a lighter note... This could be MY last memorial if all goes well.

By this time next year, I could be free!

LtCmd.Lore

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Jeptha's Daughter- what actuallyt happened??

by Kudra in

hi all, especially the scholars amongst you ;)a .

i was listening to richard dawkin's talk at lynchburg va and he was tlaking about how horrible the god of the old testament was- and he mentioned this: .

that when jeptha's daughter came out (and jeptha had promised god he'd sacrifice the first thing out of his house) that he had to sacrifice her as a burnt offering.

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Read comments by willyloman and Faraon in Blondie 's 2003 " Comments You Won't Hear At the WT study "
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/63331/1.ashx
INQ

Thanks Inquisitor, that's a good discussion too. I didn't know about all those other human sacrifices...

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Google Makes a Smooth Move! FREE HIGH SPEED INTERNET

by V in

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check out google's new free tisp, incredible brain trust there!.

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LtCmd.Lore

I wonder what TiSP stands for?

Given the nature of the program, my guess would be:

Toilet Internet Service Provider.