I'm so glad I don't have to go listen to the same friggin' talk year after year after year after year.
Posts by Dawn
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10The Emblems
by Nosferatu inone thing that used to really boggle my mind were the emblems at the memorial.
i thought it would be much more sacred than going out to the grocery store and buying a box of passover crackers sitting right next to the vegetable thins.. i wondered why the wts never baked the crackers and brewed the wine themselves, instead of letting a worldly company do it for them.
worldly companies are dishonest, and there could be additives and all that other good stuff in the emblems.
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Not invited
by dmouse ini am alone at home tonight.
my wife and children are busy having dinner and 'spiritual association' with an elder and his wife.. i wasn't invited, even though i am not da or df, just inactive.
and although i've made my position clear in that i'm not interested anymore i've never made any trouble really.. i didn't think it would hurt but it does.
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Dawn
he's not the humblest of elders;
This is the basic root of it all. It takes a certain amount of pompous self-righteousness to judge yourself as better than another. If this certain elder were REALLY following Jesus he would see himself as a SERVANT, as one not worthy to judge another - Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
They are a perfect example of modern day Pharisees.
PS - I do know how you feel. My brother is getting married and while I am not invited, I have been asked to purchase a plane ticket to send other family members. Go figure......
Edited by - Dawn on 11 January 2003 18:22:27
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Is There ANYTHING That Would Make You Go Back?
by SpannerintheWorks incould the wbts change anything about it's beliefs that would entice you back to the religion?.
or are you firmly against the wbts no matter what?.
even if it changed it's rules on shunning, blood, "worldly things" ?.
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Dawn
As long as they place themselves between me and God there is no going back.
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Are we under the influence of the Devil?
by JH into the eyes of the watchtower, apostates are like demons, since they left the truth.
would the devil be strong enough to have fooled all of us here, in rebelling against god and his organization?
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Dawn
I answered basically this same "argument" from my family this way. I quoted to them John 14:12-14
I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Then I said "I have faith in Jesus and I have asked - with an open heart and honestly, in prayer - in his name, that my eyes and ears be opened to the truth and that he makes sure I see the truth and am not mislead. So if they believe that I am now being mislead then they have no option but to call Jesus a liar. -
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Xmas xchange present(s) arrived safely........
by scootergirl ini have already gotten an email from someone stating that their gift arrived safely in the mail.
i thought it would be nice to start a thread where we can post what we got (for those nosey like me who want to know!
) and a thank you.. as for me, i haven't even begun yet!
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Dawn
I received my gift yesterday - and PERFECT timing. It's a peach scented bath set. My husband and I are getting ready to sell our house, so the past few days we've worked our a$$ off painting, fixing, etc. Relaxing in a scented bath will be soooooooo nice!! Thank you very much!!
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Forgiveness
by JH inforgiveness is something that god asks of us.
if we forgive others, we shall also be forgiven.
since it is so important to forgive, i wonder if the congregation forgives our faults, or if they mark down in a file all our wrong doings that they can find.
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Dawn
My favorite scripture - Romans 14:4 "Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand."
Jesus is the master and we're the servants. It's pretty clear to me.
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Differences in countries
by Dawn init's been a while since i've posted - have had an awful lot going on here.
but i have had a very interesting experience and was wondering if any of you that have dealt with jw's in different countries have noticed this.
i'll make it as short as possible.. my father passed away last year.
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Dawn
Hi all. It's been a while since I've posted - have had an awful lot going on here. But I have had a very interesting experience and was wondering if any of you that have dealt with JW's in different countries have noticed this. I'll make it as short as possible.
My father passed away last year. I am DF'd but the only child still living near my parents, so I coordinated with the elders on a lot of the memorial arrangements. At my father's memorial I was shunned. One "sister" came up to give me a hug and say she was sorry, and another former "best friend" of mine said "sorry for your loss" as she walked past. That was it. After the services there was a gathering at my mother's house. She insisted that I be there (long story short - I've always been very close with my parents even though I'm DF'd). A few people visited with me (longtime family friends) but most people just avoided me.
Ok - now fastforward to last month. My brother, also a JW, was murdered in Mexico. He had went down there because of health reasons and to "serve where the need was greater" - so he was in pretty good standing with the congregation. A family member had to claim the body and his assets asap so I caught a flight with my mom and we went down there the next day. The elders met us at the airport and treated us like family friends the whole time we were there. We stayed at one elder's, a very nice man who shared numerous stories with me about my brother and realy comforted my mom. At my brother's funeral everyone came up to offer condolances and talk with my mother and I - even though they all knew I was DF'd. Then they had a get together at the elder's house afterwards. I went downstairs to be "out of the way" expecting that was what I was supposed to do - he came down and asked me to come upstairs and join in the conversation with everyone else. He fixed us all drinks and we sat around telling funny stories about my brother, etc. The only time my being DF'd was ever mentioned was when I was leaving at the airport - the elder put his arm around me and encouraged me to rethink my decisions because he thought that the "truth" was the right thing. Anyways - the gist of this whole thing is that although I am DF'd - down in Mexico I was treated with respect and kindness and helped by the congregation during a really tough time. While here in America I was treated like pond scum.
So I'm wondering - have any of you that have traveled to different countries noticed big differences in the attitudes of congregations like this? Is it the culture that makes the American congregations so cold hearted? What are your thoughts?
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Getting a body out of Mexico
by Dawn instrange subject line isn't it?!
well - this is a bizzarre situation.
my died in mexico a few weeks ago - he had dual citizenship (american & mexican) and had moved down to cabo about a year ago.
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Dawn
Strange subject line isn't it?! Well - this is a bizzarre situation.
My died in Mexico a few weeks ago - he had dual citizenship (American & Mexican) and had moved down to Cabo about a year ago. We're having one hell of a time getting ANYONE to help us get the body exhumed and returned to the States. I went there (Cabo Mexico) in person and spent 8 days - no luck - we have offered to pay the expenses up front - still no luck.
So........is there anyone at all out there who might have some information that could help us out? We need to get the body back asap as they did not give my brother a proper burial so if we don't act fast there may be nothing left. We want it for 2 reasons (1) another autopsy done here in the States (which we have a cornor that is willing to help us with), and (2) we would then like to have a proper burial. By the way - if you have any info on how to get copies of police reports, crime scene photos, or autopsy reports from the Mexican government that would help also - although I'll probably see pigs fly before I get anything from them.
Last October I lost my father - now my brother this November.....this really makes me want to completely BAHHH HUMBUGG the holidays!
If there's any information anyone can offer we would really appreciate it - we're at our wits end and noone wants to help us out.
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The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!
by bjc2012 inand for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.
that is all carl wanted.
yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.
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Dawn
I did many things in my past JW life that I am ashamed of now - shunning people who really needed help and were innocent, judging people based on their appearances, marking individuals because they had been "marked" by the "in crowd" and I wanted to fit in.
I am embarrassed - ashamed - and when I have the chance I apologize to those that I wronged.
Each of us has something in our JW past that we now see clearly was done for wrong motives and we're sorry for what we did.
Ray Franz's book was, I believe, an attempt to rectify some of his faults/mistakes. Others still exist - as they do for everyone.
I don't follow Mr. Franz I follow Jesus. But I respect Mr. Franz for the stand that he made and also realize that he, like all of us, still has faults.
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Hug me and go to hell..........
by Dawn inweird subject title, i know - but let me explain................. i am df'd (12+ yrs now) so when my father (an elder) passed away last year i was shunned by everyone but one sister who came up and hugged me.
since the funeral, whenever i run into her she always gives me a hug - nice i thought.. then last week i run into her at the supermarket - she gives me a hug and then makes a joke saying "guess i'm going to hell now".........so i replied...."really?
that's too bad because i won't be there".
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Dawn
The "hell" comment caught me funny too. I know she was trying to make a joke...
But it's crazy how they are convinced that showing some grace or love to another person could be a bad thing.