No, I do not understand how such a relationship can exist. Believers may say they love God, but that is a pattern of behaviour which aligns them with other believers. It does not have to be meaningful.
stapler99
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Did you have a relationship with...
by stillin9 inwhen you were in the org, did you ever really have a relationship with jehovah?
if so, how did this relationship manifest itself?
was it just a warm fuzzy feeling when you prayed?
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Difficult Scriptures for Jehovah's Witnesses
by restoretherepublic ini have been out of the jw's for about 18 yrs.
of course i'm still interested in what's happening (news, changes, etc) with the religion, but i am very far removed from it and busy living my life.
i've been going to a non-denomination type church and this particular church's format is to go through the bible in a consecutive manner, scripture by scripture.. in doing so, i always come across scripture and wonder how the jw mindset can explain away or mentally accept the material.. i understand that much can be lost in the new world translation and jw's never touch upon some scriptures.. recently, at church, we have been going through colossians.
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stapler99
What about 1 Samuel 19:9-10?
But an evil spirit from the LORD came on Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the lyre, Saul tried to pin him to the wall with his spear, but David eluded him as Saul drove the spear into the wall. That night David made good his escape.
Why would God induce Saul to commit bad acts by sending an evil spirit?
Another one which comes to mind are the various Scriptures which say that Judas Iscariot was predestined to betray Jesus.
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Assembly Day Points by a Member of the Governing Body
by Reopened Mind ina jw friend of mine sent me this email today:.
assembly day points...... .
brother morris, (member of the governing body).
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stapler99
Arrogant t****r. He really does sound ridiculous.
LOL 3Mozzies!
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The 144,000 and the Great Crowd of Revelation
by Leolaia in8-11; ch.
as in ch.
like the "great crowd", they are "of every race, language, people, and nation (cf.
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stapler99
I've been reading a few old threads on this subject and I thought it would be good to bump this one.
One thing I am still trying to work out is whether there is an interpretation where there are inhabitants of the earth during the Millennium. The 144,000 go to be kings and priests, but does this mean they are kings over people living on earth?
I do not believe it is divinely inspired scripture but it would be good to see what other coherent interpretations exist other than the WTS one, if only for purposes of discussing it with current JW's.
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WTS ADVICE FOR YOUNG WOMEN WANTING TO MARRY
by still wondering inwait, speak to deborah first.. .
the upside of this approach is that deborah is a real woman and will be able to give you girls proper advice.. the downside is that you will either need to first find a top rate medium (shes been dead quite a while) or wait for rutherfords god to bring her back from the dead (which rutherford maintains will happen any day real soon now if not even before the convention ends).. you will easily recognise her as rutherford has thoughtfully printed a picture of her in the new and bang up to date children book.. unfortunately if you dont live in the usa you will need to telephone her, which thankfully has recently been invented.
expect to hang on the line a while as she will be very busy playing her agony aunt role for so many jws worldwide all seeking her advice, but rutherford says that it will be well worth the wait.. .
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stapler99
I think many religious leaders don't care about truth, they care about being respected and their own power. The technical term is "being full of shit."
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Scratching my head over "Watching the World", March 2011 Awake. Ideas?
by Open mind inanyone familiar with the awake!
magazine knows that "watching the world" often gives little news snippets with no further analysis or spin-doctoring from the writing dept.
this is because for the jws reading it, they can do their own spin-doctoring and for any potential converts, it makes them think the awake!
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stapler99
If that is the intended interpretation, it is stupid. The only way they could know what the DNA of Siberians look like is by measuring recent Siberians. Presumably their DNA would have nothing in common with "anti-diluvian" Siberians.
No, I can't think of another reason why they think it's interesting. Maybe they are pushing that "we are are all the same under the skin" by claiming that the races are muddled up.
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Attention Lurkers- Consider the effectiveness of your lifesaving work
by stuckinamovement inhypothetical scenario.
you are a city manager in a major metropolitan city with a population of 3,000,000.. .
if the governing body was truly convinced themselves of the impending disaster and the fact that the end is imminent would they not focus their efforts in spreading the message through effective means such as telephone, television, internet, social networks etc?
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stapler99
Very good. I would agree with Sapphy in that the main purpose of door-to-door work is to reinforce the beliefs of the current members, not conversion of others.
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The 'other sheep' - Isn't it so obvious that Jesus is talking about gentiles?
by jambon1 inam i being silly or do some other religions have a different understanding of who the 'other sheep' are?.
when i was a jw, i could see so clearly that this group is the gentiles.
that is, of course, reading the text 'in context', rather than simply placing it in a flakey jw leaflet.. why can jehovahs witnesses not see that they are so wrong on this point?.
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stapler99
It is an obvious explanation, but one that is new to me.
It is remarkable how JW's claim to be spreading the clear waters of truth, in contrast to the obtuse theology of Christendom; yet so much of what they believe relies on dubious parallels between different parts of the Bible. The doctrine of the other sheep/great crowd is a case in point.
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What was the worst part of the conventions for YOU?
by mochamint22 ini thought it'd be fun to talk about what part of the conventions just made you cringe or be annoyed with.
i can remember a couple things:.
i remember after the tms when they put the list in the back on the announcement board, there were people that would get up while the last song was being sung to write down the info.
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stapler99
Definitely the sessions.
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Restraining order against me from my JW Wife
by karlosranson ini should have posted this earlier for assistance.
i left jw two months ago and since then my life has almost been a lifetime movie.
long story short, my soon to be ex-wife believes i am full of the world, satan, etc etc.
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stapler99
AudeSapere
Here is a link to custody brochure:
http://www.qwotes.info/childcustody.pdf
Awesome! I've just taken a brief glance at this but seems to full of damning statements and misrepresentations.
For example, rather than simply saying, "No, I don't celebrate Christmas," you may respond in the affirmative [wut], "After a careful consideration of the Scriptures and the historical background of Christmas, my family and I concluded that the celebration of Christmas was not necessary to have God's approval. We have decided not to limit our gift-giving and family gatherings to specific pre-determined dates, but would rather enjoy these activities year round."
Codswallop! There is so much to criticize here! Of course there is no end to it, the garbage that comes out of their mouths never stops.
- It's not a personal choice based "consideration of the Scriptures," it's set by the organization, as we know.
- They have engaged in the typical passive-agressive tactic of misrepresenting the other person's point of view. It's not a question of whether the celebration of Christmas is necessary for God's approval, but whether the avoidance thereof is necessary.
Sorry, I've got to edit this just once to add one more thing.
Does church teach that young people should learn only about religion of Jehovah's Witnesses?
No. Consider following objective consideration of other religions in our publications:
Hilarious!