Posts by dozy

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How far is this idiocy going to go?

by BoogerMan in

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53201667.

the simpsons team - because of criticism over white actor hank azaria's voiceover of indian-american character apu - is terminating the caricature.

people claimed that it "reinforced racial stereotypes.".

dozy

Are they deleting the actual character? Or is the actor who voices them no longer going to do the voice ( presumably to be replaced by someone of the same ethnicity )?

Either way - it is getting really silly now. I have a friend who is a policeman in London and him & his colleagues are really afraid now of arresting anyone who is black. They were called out this week to a group of black youths "tagging" a train ( ie vandalising it ) but just decided not to bother and left them alone to get on with it. It is becoming a nightmare.

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Rolf Furuli New Book

by dozy in

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for those who haven't come across furuli before , he is a 77 year old norwegian professor and is ( or was ) one of the few "scholarly" jws used by the society and used as a source on various matters ( especially 607 bce ).. however recently he has fallen out with the gb and has published an interesting book - like many recent scholarly apologists , he seems to be going down the road of disagreeing with the authority of the gb but still holding that the jws is the one true religion.

kind of "lions led by donkeys".

whether this view will continue is anyones guess.

dozy

For those who haven't come across Furuli before , he is a 77 year old Norwegian professor and is ( or was ) one of the few "scholarly" JWs used by the Society and used as a source on various matters ( especially 607 BCE ).

However recently he has fallen out with the GB and has published an interesting book - like many recent scholarly apologists , he seems to be going down the road of disagreeing with the authority of the GB but still holding that the JWs is the one true religion. Kind of "lions led by donkeys". Whether this view will continue is anyones guess.

Anyway - an interesting read during these days of lockdown....

Free ( so far ) download here - 9 languages available

https://b-ok.cc/book/5537241/851582

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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

by Giles Gray in

i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

dozy

This is the David Splane JW broadcasting "explanation" of the "New Light" on the overlapping generation. Charts and all ( I was kind of waiting for the Powerpoint presentation. )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol6pGBp_PUk

But to be honest - why bother trying to convince an active JW? It's a pointless exercise. I remember trying to discuss this a few years ago with an uncle who is a JW elder & he still believed the generation were the wicked ones - he hadn't realised it had evolved several times since then. He still wasn't bothered. You either believe in this crap or you don't.

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4 Letters Arrived--English and Spanish! (as of 2020-06-19)

by Atlantis in

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1.--2020-06-18-- english--instructions for our online meetings.. distractions.

noisepreparations.

personal appearance .

dozy

PM please xxxxx

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Meet George Floyd

by cofty in

his murder was a crime and justice must be done, but it's sobering to learn more about the man who is being lionised by millions.

thanks as always to the courageous candace owens.. ....

dozy

Thanks for posting the original video. I have never previously heard of the woman , but she has cojones ( figuratively speaking!). Good for her to speak out.

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Is it me or is John Cedars channel becoming a self important circle fest

by phoenixrising in

i still like the commentary on the jw.org monthly’s, i can skip through some parts.

but it seems like he is pushing too hard to put out videos and the quality is getting very low on the content..

dozy

John Cedars certainly divides people. I used to be a fan , but recently I have kind of lost interest , unless there is a big breaking news in JW world ( such as the GB member buying crates of whisky.

As others have said , I wish now that he would shorten his videos - surely he could do an analysis of the monthly JW broadcasting videos in 30 or 40 minutes , bearing in mind that much of the broadcast it is just repetitive filler , especially the Gilead Graduation talks. I couldn't really be bothered listening for 2 and a half hours.

Otherwise if you wish to support him via Patreon https://www.patreon.com/cedars or Indiegogo https://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/14998811/campaigns or buying his T-Shirts etc then up to you , I suppose.

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The National Anthem

by BluesBrother in

recent controversies in america brought this to mind , although i don’t want this to become a political thread , rather to discuss the wts rules that stop a jw showing respect for the national anthem.. the watchtower says that doing so is an act of idolatry, giving worship to the state or its icon.

as such witnesses remain seated when the anthem is played.

in britain people simply stand quietly to show respect, there is no hand gesture.. when i was a boy, every cinema show and theatre concluded with the anthem,being played .usually it was orchestrally with no words sung.

dozy

I remember at school ( in UK ) once the national anthem was played at some event we were watching and I stayed in my seat when everyone else was standing & singing - I was maybe about 10 years old. A teacher was sitting behind me and literally pulled me to my feet - I'm guessing she didn't get the memo - she wasn't one of my teachers - so I stayed standing and pretended to sing & never told my parents about it as they would have gone crazy and made a big fuss! Thankfully generally in the UK it is rarely played nowadays in that kind of setting.

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Has anyone ever turn down being appointed an Elder or MS?

by Davros in

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has anyone turned it down or know of someone who did turn down being an elder or ms?.

yes, it should be one of the biggest privileges a brother can get !!

(how do i put the barfy icon in?

dozy

There was a MS in our congregation that several times we ( I was an elder back then and all the elders wanted to appoint him ) tried to persuade to become an elder but he wasn't interested. His father was an elder in another congregation and he had seen just how tough and soul destroying and busy a job it was and he freely admitted that he didn't want any of that.

In addition , there were quite a few JWs that did just enough not be be appointed. It was almost if consciously or sub consciously it just wasn't for them.

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How have Jehovah`s Witnesses ever gotten away with being a Tax Exempt Religion ?

by smiddy3 in

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i can never get my head around this one ?

don`t the powers that be ever really investigate religions that claim exemption from paying taxes because they claim they are a not for profit religion ?.

you would have to be a brain dead imbecile not to see that the religion known as the" watchtower bible and tract society" otherwise known as "jehovah`s witnesses" are nothing more than a religious publishing house that have made x amount of $$$$$ over the years since their inception in the late 1800`s to this day.

dozy

In fairness , JWs are by no means the worst offender in this regard. There are some real weird ( and even damaging ) "religions" claiming charitable status.

Interesting article here:

https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/the-commission-should-remove-the-advancement-of-religion-as-a-charitable-purpose-says-report.html

Among other things , it states that 12,000 UK charities list "advancement of religion" as their sole charitable aim.

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Looking for suggestions, I'm being called on by a JW

by Tameria2001 in

just before the pandemic affected my area, a couple of jws came to my door.

this was the first time i didn't tell them to hit the road but instead had a pleasant conversation with them.

i never revealed that i am a former jw, nor do i ever want the jws in my area to know that i was ever one.

dozy

I would probe them a bit on the "wonderful news" about God's Kingdom. Ask them who would be annihilated to achieve this. We know that the Society teaches that everyone who isn't a JW ( and even some who are but are weak ) will be destroyed including new born babies and children.