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  Yet another "Shunning is good for you, honest!" quote in the June 15th 2013 Watchtower

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi folks.

  that's right, the new june 15th 2013 study edition is out now on this link.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/28/w_e_20130615.pdf.

  the following quote caught my eye, from the final study article on page 28.... .

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  How embarrassing for them & their god.
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  What Would The Rank and File Do If The Governing Body Went To Jail Over Criminal Activity With Reguards To Failure To Alert Parisheners Of Child Molesters In Their Congregation?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i think it a very real possiblity:.

  http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/07/local/la-me-church-files-20130108.

  judge orders archdiocese to restore names in abuse filesthe public's right to know how the church handled molestation allegations outweighs officials' privacy rights, court rules.q: haven't several states extended the statutes of limitation in response to the abuse scandal?.

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  I once knew a brother who said that if the entire governing body were found to be paedophiles he'd still be 'serving Jehovah at the KH'.

  Me and this other guy who is still a very active JW, looked at each other with that "WTF?" look on our faces.

  I should have known then what a fight I'd have to free my family from this shit.

  Completely delusional to the point of embarrassing.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Shunning at it's very best! SHOCKING Jw.Org

  by BlindersOff1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  found this on youtube fyi.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw8yu-r8g-8.

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  Bastards.

  Absolute bastards.
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  THE FINAL VERDICT IS DELIVERED!!!

  by Hobo Ken in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is the final of my series of podcasts in which the 3 circuit overseers decide my fate as a jehovah's witness.. my blog- deathorobedience.blogspot.com.

  podcast 12 the final verdict- play the audio.

  also available free on itunes (just search on itunes).. .

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  Hi

  I'd be very interested to hear this podcast but it won't download to my iphone. I realise that this is 3 years old now.

  Is there any way to get it to work now or have it emailed?

  Please?
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  Believing that god arranges for £50 to be put through your letterbox while he ignores the cries of abused children

  by jambon1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  we've all heard these experiences.. in fact, jehovah's witnesses are obsessed with them.

  the pioneer who needed 80 to fix their car & somehow (without having told anyone .

  now, if you believe that these sort of experiences are true, you are basically saying that god is actively arranging help for someone who is in need.

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  We've all heard these experiences.

  In fact, Jehovah's Witnesses are obsessed with them. The pioneer who needed £80 to fix their car & somehow (without having told anyone ) the money appears in an envelope behind the door. Or a pioneer couple having no food left when their last route call of the day hands them a fish & some eggs. Generaly spouted forth from assembly platforms.

  Now, if you believe that these sort of experiences are true, you are basically saying that god is actively arranging help for someone who is in need. The whole point of the experiences is to show how god directly helps those who serve him.

  But what about the little child who is being abused or tortured at home. What about his prayer? What about his cries for help? Doesn't god hear these? Doesn't he feel compelled to give 'direct help' to that poor defensless child?

  Or are they saying that god is only interested in helping witnesses in a direct manner? Those who spend hours in the ministry?

  If this is the case, then what an asshole god is.

  My point? None of it makes sense.

  These are the things that used to play on my mind terribly. It just seemed so crass to make the bold claims of being 'helped by god' to pay some irrelevant, shitty, little bill while at the the same time, thousands of kids are being ignored. Left to get on with their horrible existance of abuse & emotional pain.

  These days, of course, I don't have to entertain the mental gymnastics of dilemas like this.

  It just seems such bullshit.
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  Stories of the bible

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  seriously, do people really believe that these events actually happened?

  or that they are in any way justified oir right?.

  a guy and his small family gather up severy single living animal, bird, insect, puts them in a huge boat which saves mankind & all animal life.at the word of a prophet, a few bears tear apart half a dozen kids for calling a guy a baldy bastard.

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  Seriously, do people really believe that these events actually happened? Or that they are in any way justified oir right?

  • A guy and his small family gather up severy single living animal, bird, insect, puts them in a huge boat which saves mankind & all animal life.
  • At the word of a prophet, a few bears tear apart half a dozen kids for calling a guy a baldy bastard.
  • God killing Davids baby because of his adultery.
  • A guy being carried in teh belly of a big huge fish. And survives.

  I mean, cooooooooome on!

  
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  JC was formed, without even letting me know!?

  by magotan in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  no one will take my intent to da or df seriously.

  they called me again (three brothers this time) and asked me to meet with them.

  i had no intention of doing so....simply told them there was nothing to talk about.. .

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  Mogotan

  I faded very quickly. I walked out the KH one day & knew that I wasn't going back. I just told my wife I was leaving the 'truth'. I was a m/s at the time.

  Yes, the elders tried to contact me. One even showed up at the door even after being asked not to do so by my wife.

  I ignored any contact only telling them that I was in no position to discuss matters. I knew we'd just go round in circles and I'd have to be brutally honest about the religion that they hold dear, which I wasn't prepared to do.

  It's a bit different with you being gay. They may feel that they need to press you on a decision.

  Just be as evasive as possible while being as respectful as possible.
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  Do you think those at the top realise that it's their fault - suicide as a result of being disfellowshipped?

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been stunned to hear of two suicides in our area recently.. this adds to the other 3 that i have known of from the past.. the two recent suicides resulted from 1-the person being gay & hearing a horrific talk at the kingdom hall & 2-the person with problems who was disfelloshipped & then took his life the next week.. it astonished me that jw's in general don't rebel against this sort of thing.

  it's an appalling lack of support which leads people to feel distressed, abandoned & unloved.

  how the witnesses in the locality can just sail on without giving the cruelty of these measures serious though is beyond me.

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  Irondork:

  Indeed, I agree. Perhaps my use of words could have been better.

  I realise that many witnesses will feel utterly dejected & disillusioned about such things.

  It's just a great shame that this practise cannot be exposed as a form of abuse by the authorities & stoped.
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  Do you think those at the top realise that it's their fault - suicide as a result of being disfellowshipped?

  by jambon1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been stunned to hear of two suicides in our area recently.. this adds to the other 3 that i have known of from the past.. the two recent suicides resulted from 1-the person being gay & hearing a horrific talk at the kingdom hall & 2-the person with problems who was disfelloshipped & then took his life the next week.. it astonished me that jw's in general don't rebel against this sort of thing.

  it's an appalling lack of support which leads people to feel distressed, abandoned & unloved.

  how the witnesses in the locality can just sail on without giving the cruelty of these measures serious though is beyond me.

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  I have been stunned to hear of two suicides in our area recently.

  This adds to the other 3 that I have known of from the past.

  The two recent suicides resulted from 1-the person being gay & hearing a horrific talk at the kingdom hall & 2-the person with problems who was disfelloshipped & then took his life the next week.

  It astonished me that JW's in general don't rebel against this sort of thing. It's an appalling lack of support which leads people to feel distressed, abandoned & unloved. How the witnesses in the locality can just sail on without giving the cruelty of these measures serious though is beyond me.

  But on a higher level, do the people who lead the organisation (CO's/branch comittees/governing bodies) give any thought at all to how seriously wrong they are to carry on with this practise? Do they not realise the cruelty behind it, how it effects people & the death toll as people struggle to cope with their measures of discipline?

  Do they realise that the punishment of disfellowshipping is not a punishment that fits any crime (apart from perhaps paedophilia). That it is extreem & that it is so utterly cruel?

  It makes me feel genuinely upset & sad that people are shunned. And it makes me angry that witnesses in general don't seem to have a problem with it.

  Shameful.
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  Not sure what to do next

  by magotan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm 19, and i'm still currently a jw.

  i guess i'm a born-in, or whatever you guys call it.

  i've had some serious issues with the faith at the moment, and sexuality is a huge part.

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  You sound pretty clued up mate. And your objections and observations ares simply what went round all of our minds at one time. We couldn't reconcile the mental gymnastics in our mind so somehow we ended up leaving entirely. Some by fading, others like myself, just one day didn't go back.

  Despite people wanting to meet with me I strongly told people that I didn't want to discuss my thoughts as it was 1 - my right. & 2 - it saved me feeling like I was 'offending' their beliefs.

  This worked. Although admitedly, my cong left off pursuing me to any great leangh due to my wife telling them my position on matters (she was/is still active).

  You must do whatever you feel is right. I'd strongly advise against da'ing yourself. It gives people the perfect opportunity to simply dismiss you as a sinner. Though if it'd came down to it I'd have rather done that than be d/f'd.

  Just don't rush anything. Keep your cool. Speak with respect whenever you can.

  Don't give people the oportunity to speak ill of you due to losing your cool or saying stuff that you may later regret.

  And always remember, you've done absolutely nothing wrong. You simply disagree with the religion you were brought up in.

  Best

  J